Amazon, South Bend, Twitter discussed on All of It

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A lot of us could not afford could not get PPP or the idol. And so we didn't have like the loans and things to fall back on to keep US three with his cash flow. I'm I'm I guess you could say lucky that I'm a small business black female bookstore. And so when things happened with George employed people started looking to black book stores to buy things from, although they should have been doing that before. And now I'm seeing that What has happened with that is our expectations for delivery from a small place, as opposed to what we've been able to get online has people's perceptions of what you can get and how house has changed. And I think that hurt a lot of stores, especially independent bookstores, who did not have one. An Internet presence at all to buy books through who had to scramble to do that, and now having to change the way you market haven't a chance the way you buy books to kind of survive through this holiday pandemic Season two. That's all been Just really stressful and hard to do, because you'll have the cash flow. But I don't know how much longer we can actually stay viable being open. The brick and mortar. Okay, Kathy, What's the name? Your store? It's called Brain Layer books, an anagram of librarian. Okay, That's the that's the best thing. I've heard all day candy from brain layer Brooks and South Bend, Indiana. Good luck, Cathy. We're all pulling for you, Scott from Twitter says. I've given up filling Jeff bases his pockets. I choose book culture near Columbia during locked down as well as kitchen arts and letters and Bonnie Slotnick cookbooks. The latter two are already on my radio as a food scholar. My guess is Alexander Altar from the New York Times she covers publishing and the literary world. We heard they CEO of the American Booksellers Association mentioned indeed about bookshop. That organ launched the beginning of this year, so it was a pro bookstore alternative. The Amazon. How helpful has it been Andy Hundreds on the show, by the way, Full disclosure. How helpful hasn't been too bookstore struggling to stay afloat. What's been bookshop that org's footprint? What's been Indy bounds footprint if you know Yes, I think bookshop dot org's was a really exciting development that a lot of people were skeptical about when it had its soft lunch in January, Because if you I have been in publishing for awhile. You get kind of cynical When someone says, Hey, we want to be the independent online alternative to Amazon. You know, the notion was well if people want to support independence. The whole reason is they want to go on brows and be there and have connection. With the booksellers and with the community, So why would they shop online? And then? Of course, as they say, the pandemic happened, and suddenly bookshop became really critical Avenue for a lot of bookstores. The one thing that they do that a lot of bookstores. A cz we heard from our collar were weren't set up to do is that they can handle all the inventory and that even the sales trip, you know the sales transactions so that the store Doesn't make us much as they would if they had handled the sale themselves, but they can still Have ah, a way to connect with their community and and to sell books through bookshop. So for stores that didn't have online sales capabilities, Yet bookshop was a way to quickly get set up and to continue selling to people. And some stores. Then we're able to transition into having their own online sales. And you know that way they could make a little more, although there's higher cost associated with having to get the inventory and ship it and all of that. Um The other thing that bookshop dot orc has done is, you know, in addition to kind of creating an online space for these stories and a way for people who felt like they wanted supported independence, but felt like they had to shop online for safety reasons during the pandemic. In addition to that, there also just raising money for independents who want who need the support even if they're not selling books through book shop, So I think they've raised more than $7.5 million already. And they divvy that up a few times a year or twice a year. So I think the one kind of bit of skepticism I've heard from booksellers themselves is that Bookshop, you know, because it got a lot of press when it launched and because it really you know, was this kind of new, uh Sort of online space for independence might have unintentionally Andy Hunter would say, because I talked about this siphoned off some sales from independence. If people are allegedly that shopping, a book shop is the same as supporting your independent. You know, it's not exactly the same they don't make quite as much through bookshop. I want to touch on something that I sort of picked up. We're talking to the bookseller from South Bend, Indiana, that there might be a schism even in the independent bookseller world between the small stores and then some of the larger ones and stores that were able to get PPP loans like the Strand, which took out alone, so people are asking some people on Twitter asking like, why are you laying off people if you were able to get this loan I mean, we don't know what the books look like. But that's a reasonable question. What book sellers? What are they asking for? From the federal and state governments? And what is New York done it all. So I know that that is a real divide, who was able to get PPP and who who wasn't and and I don't know exactly what the criteria is, if it has to do with the size of the store. I do think you know it's kind of across the board. Some larger independence are really struggling, including the strand. I think they said their sales were down 70% compared to last year, and so are some smaller stories where they haven't been able to get the PPP so It sort of depends on I guess the level of community engagement and how many people are shopping there. What There are other costs are and you know how large their staff is. And things like that. I know it was a real lifeline for a lot of people early on. When the stores were completely shut down Physically, they were able to retain their staff because You know, they couldn't even have people come into the store to send out shipments of books so they couldn't even really very easily handle online sales at that time. So I think the other, you know, real stress on independence has been that shift, too. Mailing books. It's very expensive, and they're spending a lot more than they ever thought they would on, you know, just stamps and packaging and things like that. So that's adding on to the other costs associated with it, which you know, mainly are bent and paying your staff and then, of course, inventory and overhead and things like that. Let's go to line one. Lee in Peekskill wants to give a shout out. Lee shouted out so much, Alison. Oh, thank you. The bruised apple used book and record store in Peekskill. I was just there this weekend. And you know you need those records, too. But, you know, used books. They're great. Let's keep them recycled, You know, don't get new stuff or provide previously loved. They want that one worker and he is not working right now..

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