Robert It, Facebook, ED discussed on KFBK Garden Show


Soil minimize your toil. And it's by Robert Kirk, and it's a wonderful book filled with all sorts of great garden nuggets things that I never knew before. But then that's what Robert does for a living. He surprises all with his very thorough research, and what he finds and Robert it's a pleasure talking with you. Good morning. Well, let's talk about the Lisi gardening book. What was the inspiration for this? Well, actually, I was sitting around a table with a friend about five years ago or more. And she's you ought to do a lazy but gardening book. I'd changed the title. Okay. Well, that's that's fine. And it's got all sorts of great time savers in the book, and the chapters include just about everything you need to know about gardening about ornamental plants edibles tilling, although I would think the tilles chapter would be kind of short because there's not too many people recommending tilling anymore. Well, it starts after tilling and works its way towards the talking about not ill. Right. So covers the whole range. But spends more time on though till does until it, and I would imagine too that cover crops play a role in that. Yeah. The what I did is I did a cover cropping in the chapter until age. But then in the Knicks I have green manure being because it's a next step up in the effort you've got to actually turn the soil over. So I decided well, including the book, even though it's not the laziest way. It's a garden. Well, there's there's just so much in the book. We're talking about including lots of chapters on fruit trees, fruit, tree care and some good, pruning and shaping tips. Which is what I wanted to talk about today since Ed live, oh is going to be here. Talking about aspiring fruit trees, it is somewhere in the building. I think he's lost in the building. And hasn't found it to the studio yet. A gardener. Not a radio person. I think is I I need to put a tracking device on him to find him. Missing something interesting, sir. I tried to do an ad on Facebook. And they turn me down. They said it was too too much like the guidelines for -fensive. So I can't do an ad on Facebook for my book. They have a few other offensive sites as far as I can tell from here. I yeah. You can incite riots. That's okay. But don't don't say. Lazy ass gardening. Exactly. Wow. Right there. I I still want to know I wish was here because he was talking about something that you would posted on Facebook about the folly of rain water catchment as far as does it really work. Well, it works in sense. You can catch rainy, and you can do a fifty five gallon drums of fifty five gallon drum is really only appropriate. I I can see for house plants. I mean, the house plans love having no chlorine or no minerals and having rain water, but in California. You know, there's no rain in the summer, and you have to have an enormous sister. And I call them sister and rain water catchment in order to get through the summer and most people can't afford it. They're doing rainwater catchment in my county. And basically, it's quite wealthy people that are doing it. But that's not bad. I mean, that's how a lot of trends. Start the people with a lot of money start at first and then over time the costs come down per unit. So I think that's what's going to happen. Time. I think too that a lot of people and especially with an aging population. Maybe they installed swimming pools in the backyard when the kids were younger, but the kids are gone. They've got this high maintenance item now, well, why not change that into your rain catchment system right in nineteen seventy five drought. I covered a swimming pool for a client, and we put the I called elephant hose that black six inch tubing that's corrugated very out really put that from the downspouts of the house to the swimming pool and the collective water in the winter. And then we use that to pump out with a sump pump. So it works, but it's ugly. Yeah. It's ugly. Well, you'd have to engineer it. So it wasn't ugly. If you want to do it on a permanent basis, but that seems like a good idea for water storage. But I think the reason we all gathered here today was to hear about your ideas of using close, spins and toothpicks in the garden. Yeah. A lot of people. Don't you think of that? As a tool. Yeah. And it has to do with fruit tree training. And it makes perfect sense. If you're trying to get some truly lateral branches, and you go into the science of the benefit of having laterally league growing branches. Basically, the ideal angle for branch is about forty five sixty degrees for a compromiser healthy compromise between vertical growth or extension growth and fruiting. If you have a branch, that's totally flat ninety degrees. The tip stops growing a pickle bun. And then a lot of buds on the ranch go straight up to be what we call suckers water sprouts. And then if you have a totally vertical you get a tremendous amount of vertical growth of shoot, but not much fruit not as much fruit. So this is something I did back in nineteen eighty with experimental orchard of Asian pears twenty trees on trellis trying to do it in the French method of spell ya. And then twenty trees on the toothpicks and clothes pins in one year. I gave up the. French met because it was so easy on the toothpicks into clothes pins. But the trees are wider, the tradeoff not the only, but the major trade off is that my trellis system if you look down the row was almost four feet wide. But it took almost no effort compared to the French French intensive what I call the French intensive method of spell. Yeah. Talk about the benefit of having branches that are growing horizontally, horizontally, okay? Horizontally instead of vertically, well, it's not so much horizontal in ninety degrees at an angle about forty five degrees. So that's the way when you put a clothes pin on the tip of that shoot. It bends it down into an arch. And the outer third arch makes a lot more fruit buds. And so you get more fruiting. That way and you slow down the tip grossly control the width of the tree. So I had a couple maybe a hundred clothes pins or more. And I use them to clip on new growth when it gets about six to twelve inches. And if I had to I would add more than one closed Pendle weighted down and then the next year or that fall take them off in the next year, use them elsewhere. So I never had to buy more clothes pins. I just rotate them so to speak to the new growth, and it's interesting that you can put so a quite a number of close spins on a branch to to get it to grow at that wider angle. Yeah. Yeah. So sometimes they're stiff enough if you wait too long, you need to have two three of them to get the tip to grow to bend down. But if you catch it earlier in the season that you'll take just one clothes pin. So we're talking about I don't know. Maybe may when the growth is about. Six inches or more little bit more. And it's real supple when it's even younger you can use a toothpick. You spread the branch to about ninety degrees. Put a toothpick between the vertical or the the main shooting in the new suit, and it stiffens up. And when you knock off the toothpick in the fall branch kinda springs up a little bit. But it doesn't spring up much past forty five degrees. So you get again that ideal angle forty five degrees using toothpicks on very young shoots. All right. Do you stick around for a few minutes? Yeah. Great ro Robert Kirk will stick around for a few minutes because we we did deploy a boy scout troop to find Ed wandering the building. We did find him. And I know he has questions for you. So I'll put you on hold Robert. And when we come back, we will untie Ed and let them talk. Great. All right. We're talking with Robert Couric, author of the book lazy ass gardening, maximizing your soil, minimizing your toil. We have more and Ed level. Join us as well. When we.

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