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"Let's get back to my interview with Simon Schuster who's the Europe correspondent for time and has been covering Ukraine trump administration dealings there and connections between trump allies and Ukrainian oligarchs shuster is based in Berlin and previously previously was based in Moscow when we recorded our interview yesterday afternoon. He was in a studio in Kiev Ukraine. Okay I want to bring up another Ukrainian Ukrainian energy oligarchy written about Dmitri for Tash who's wanted by US authorities and what what is his place in any current impeachment inquiry. Yeah he's a fascinating character and all this And Again I. I think that there's quite a lot more information that we're going to learn in the coming months as You know the various strands of this investigation Continue but what we do know. Is that He hired To Close Giuliani associates. It's two lawyers This summer to represent him In a bribery case that he's fighting in Chicago so for the last four years he's been Under indictment Dayton in Chicago On a variety of corruption charges and the United States government has been trying to extradite him to Chicago to stand trial and he's been fighting that tooth and nail with the best lawyers. Money can buy out of his current home base in Vienna Austria. Now this summer He hired two new lawyers. Who are both very close? Associates of Giuliani Victoria tons ING and Joe Digenova a married couple and and very fierce defenders of president trump on Fox News And they essentially began representing fear. Tash In his bribery case in Chicago. Now at the same time they got access is to The legal files of Dmitri fear Tash in Vienna and within those legal files they found very interesting interesting and potentially compromising documents against president. Trump's opponents that includes Joe Biden that includes Investigators instigators who are working for Robert Muller So the fear Tush legal case This summer became a treasure trove of compromising housing material in Giuliani's quest for dirt on on trump's political opponents. are are are these documents incriminating it. It depends on whether you believe what they say. I mean one of the documents is is a a a long statement by a former Ukrainian in Prosecutor General And alleges a variety of Things against Joe Biden personally and his son and and the company where his son Don worked Now the problem I have with that document Is that it comes from a source that is extremely suspect. So the former prosecutor general who wrote that document is himself accused of large-scale corruption Many of the officials I've I've talked to in Ukraine here say that he is not to be trusted. Moreover that document was Obtained from this prosecutor by an oligarch. WHO's under indictment in Chicago? Oh right so I think you know before Giuliani or really anyone else goes on. TV waving this document around as hot clear proof that Joe Biden is corrupt. They they should at least Explain to their listeners. The origins of this document where it came from WHO produced it. Who's saying these things who's making these claims and I think that's that's really not in the interest of Giuliani? At least according you know from his behavior He seems to want to essentially create noise To create the the the impression the aura of corruption around Joe Biden and a he is very unscrupulous. About what information he's willing to use and he's getting a bit of information mation here from this oligarch trying to get a little bit over here trying to pressure the Ukrainian government to produce more and all of that is part of the sort of broader campaign to keep the noise level around the words Biden and corruption as high as possible with whatever information. He's able to get his hands on so for tash the Ukrainian cranium energy oligarchy. We've been talking about the. US Department of Justice described him as among the upper echelon associates of Russian organized. This crime so it is. He connected to Russian organized crime end to Vladimir Putin he certainly denies any connection to rush organized crime but his connection to Putin is is pretty indisputable Fear tests made his fortune. As a partner to the Kremlin in the European. Repeat guests trait He made billions of dollars as a middleman between Russia and essentially Europe In the sale of natural gas us and he secured that position with the approval of Vladimir Putin And that position is so lucrative that it would only go to someone the Russian government trusted and wanted to hold that position federal prosecutors in the US want to extradite for attach to the US so he could stand trial here. So Victoria tenzing unjust GENITA- America. Couple who are lawyers who are working on for Tasha's legal team and trying to prevent him from being extradited to the US they have interesting connections like they not only have become staunch defenders of president trump frequently appearing on Fox News in two thousand eighteen trump considering hiring them as part of his legal team they hired Lev Parnis Rudy Giuliani's associated acea to serve as their interpreter in communications with for Tash So I I don't know what that says that all of these All these alliances are so tangled. And you know lead back did you. Leoni and trump. I think it's quite clear the way I think about. This is the the two teams merged at some point. The summer there was the team Giuliani that included various people including these two lawyers Tons and agenda included clued love left Parnasse and Eager Freeman and they were working on a variety of things You know including digging up dirt on Joe Biden including maybe getting. Some guests deals in Ukraine and then separately separately Before the summer's separately there was the fear Tash legal team which was working to keep him free from extradition to keep him out of American prison And also continuing to pursue their various guests and business and television interests in Ukraine. Now at some point the summer around June July these two teams merged they sort of found each other and they found that they had some interests in common and some things that they could do together so from fear Tushes side. It was very enticing to see that Giuliani and his Lawyer lawyers working with him Could potentially you have access to The Justice Department all the way up to attorney general bill bar and they could potentially be able to plead his case on a very high level and potentially get his case dismissed. That was very interesting for fear. Tash now from the site of team Guiliani fear Tosh was very interesting because he's an extremely extremely well connected and powerful person Ukraine and he could get access to various officials who could rightly or wrongly For free were not for free Provide some evidence or documents that would be damaging to trump's political opponents so with with all the different hiring back and forth the different Connections right as you said Fear tests hired these two lawyers. That worked with Giuliani. These two lawyer hired left Parnasse. Another Giuliani Associate Essentially that that's a sign of these two teams beginning the summer to work together so at the same time tenzing son who's digenova stepson. A Brady tensing. He was recently hired. By William William Bars Justice Department in the office of legal policy. That's right and and interesting interesting interesting coincidence. I mean the one the one that that struck me the most and it really was was when the light bulb came on for me that you know. Hey something strange. Something strange is going on here. In the relationship between fear. Tash and team Giuliani And that was in July of this year I've been reporting on fear task for years I've been and following his case very intently since The end of two thousand sixteen. I interviewed him in two thousand seventeen in Vienna while he was fighting extradition And at some point this summer all of my contacts and Giuliani circle began to redirect my requests to someone new someone. I'd had never heard of someone who had never dealt with and this was a person they mark Corallo and I I spoke to him And it quickly emerged that he had until very recently been serving as a spokesman for Donald Trump's legal team so that's when the light bulb came on and and I knew that there must be some serious serious connection between team Giuliani team trump And the fierce legal team because you had an individual who had very recently been representing Donald Donald Trump and was now representing and speaking for Dmitri fear Tash well. Let's take a short break here and then we'll talk some more. If you're just joining us my guest Simon Schuster who is joining us from Kiev. And he is the Europe correspondent for Time magazine. He's been spending a lot of time covering Ukraine. We'll be right back back. This is fresh air this message comes from. NPR Sponsor Vanguard Vanguard was founded on a simple but radical idea that an investment company can succeed aid because it."