West Coast, New Jersey, Irrigation Association discussed on The Sprinkler Nerd Show


Even even if you're an old school era gator from the days of hydraulic systems. This show is for you all right. Well Art Mark. Thanks for joining the Sprinkler Nerd. podcast happy to have you on the show today. And you know I consider myself a nerd but nerds have to learn from other nerds and I have learned a a ton from you. So there's another nerd out there that's more nerdy than me it. Is You so happy to have you on the show today. Thank you thank you from one nerd to another. Yes what I like to do is I know you have a deep enrich history in this in. This industry had a lot of experience. You know over the years Kinda satellites to roll it back to the beginning of your journey and Kinda here how you got started and you know what tipped you off this industry where you began while it was it was really l.. E. Easy actually. My father was a golf course. Superintendent Northern New Jersey and New Jersey. You're fourteen you can actually get working papers to work on Anna on our golf course. So of course. You're SORTA drafted a core team and we also was part owner of a irrigation sprinkler installation relation company. And so I started working weekends and nights and stuff like that for part time I was even in high school. I took the first design course when I was fourteen and basically For Summers weekends throughout the year and then went the college for Engineering. Swearing never been this industry. So of course. You're I am after college. I always did his service. Work is designed. I work at basically brothers as they grew up joined the company and back and around the bid eighties actually the early eighties. I was one one of the first people to actually take certified irrigation design certification from the. Ira I remember taking the class and exam down at the Jacksonville Airport Holiday Inn with about eight other people from around the country and Canada and that was one of the first groups that took the exam camp. So I'm certified both commercial and residential and that was my first certification the mid eighties. I I started I started a position. Working for the head saw an ad in in Our local newsletter for the Irrigation Association. Someone someone was looking for a design engineer and I rattled off my resume and the next thing I know I started working for a distributor in Maryland and the DC Sierra and then time moved around from a couple distributors eventually moving back to my my home area of Newark New Jersey and Dan for the last seventeen years. I've been working for manufacturer so it's been a long jury up to that time too. I was also a Instructor for the Association Association and then became a Supervisor Inspector for Irrigation Association. And the last six years I've been on the National Certification Board with last year being being chair past chair of the of the committee of the awesome. So if somebody wants to get a leg up can slip you a few bucks to get all the answers to how this this works. Yes you could send all payments to now. I still plod bastards now to the rights questions of the tests but be honest with you know one of the things. One of the reasons I consented the beyond aboard was culturally. There are so many different ways in this country that people install irrigation irrigation. That west coast is different. Many ways from the northeast for instance and one of the one of the things I saw was an opportunity to make sure that the northeast representation on the questions on what was being asked of our contractors. And I think it's a good mix of people from all parts of the country very on the board to to represent all the different ways that that things that people put stuff in. Okay okay. I'm not going to say there's a right way wrong way air here because there's ways there's different ways yeah we could argue. PVC and polly all day. Laws owners there is no right or wrong answer different. It's right. The funniest thing on that. That comment is what I was down in Maryland. We have a field day down there. We still have. We were right in that that area. Where was the transition between poly for laterals and PVC for laterals? And what would happen. Was We used to have a competition between a companies hot. How quick put in zone either? PVC or pollick and it was believe it or not very competitive. I mean it was very close every time and but the funny thing was is after they were done and after that competition we would simply ask them to switch the guys that normally used Hollywood use. BBC The guys only we use PVC Apollo zone then watched the how fast they put his own and that was always a a little bit of fun out there the field. Yeah no the people once you once you learn something then and you know how to do it. That's of course going to be the best way because the best way is always my way or your way right. That's that's right. Yeah you know you've been doing this a long time and of course I've always known you your Netafim role and I think you and I met in probably around four or three something somewhere in the seventeen years in the specifically in the drip irrigation industry. I kind of like to unpack that a little bit. And just maybe have you talked to us about Kinda maybe that ten thousand foot view of drip as a whole will maybe a little bit of how does it differ from the East Coast to the West Coast where has abandoned. Where is it now and just kind of A? Let's let's get into up you know. There's always been a little bit with debate. I thought it's kind of interesting. I worked for an Israeli company. Of course Netafim. And that. If we've always felt that we've and we were the inventors of drip in Israel back in one thousand nine hundred thousand five but there were a couple of a point source types of drip out there too so it's only talk about trip. We talk about primarily bitcoin source. which are basically you're putting bidders? Things like that plugged onto a piece of pipe with water drips out of the litter or the line source. Where basically it's it's already built into tubing and pre space etcetera and water drips out of the bitter? It's interesting that as a as an industry we sort of developed to different cultural practices the West Coast was primarily point source when they used rippe early on it very very specifically for individual plants in the East we I always tribute to denser plantings. We really saw in line develop a lot more and that was the cultural difference for so many years you could. You could see millions of feet of inline going in the east and we could see Z.. Millions of feet of of blank tubing with point source maters going out that typically the mid west to the west and and he's still see pockets of that both advises however the southwest and the cat and the the West has has really taken to in line over the past few years and I've seen in line is being the dominant type of drift today. The other interesting thing I thought was the right is by point source most of the time. You're watering x amount of gallons silence per plant per day and become a denominator would always tie other words. You would hope you would put a two gallon per hour amid or on a tree and you wanted to put eight gallons on that tree you would have to run it for four hours and what happened was is your Gatien Manufacturers as they started to see drip take on more of a a roll out. There started to all of a sudden develop patrollers that set of operating certain zones in minutes gave us the ability to go two hours. Okay so what would happen is if you're using your point source and you said Okay for all the trees I'm GonNa do this treaty and gowns. That tree needs to upper one. Two Down Broward bitter off that five down our bidders on that story therefore takes an hour to put down my tended to so I'll set mites. It's time on the controller for one out all right so when they brought those controllers eastwards has of course draws from the West everywhere all of a sudden when people started using in light side of us they would say. Oh you've got to water for hours. I may because it's bad for trip and it's been sickly for hours. Well the problem is inline. Align puts them many cases water out as fast as rotor systems rotary exalts and so forth we get up to precipitation rates or application rates Close to an edge at our which realistically as many cases double most you two rotors. So what would happen. As people in the East would go ahead and Basically run for multiple hours thinking. That's the right way to do it. And they would typically over water so I think. I think we're finally catching up with the idea that that you don't have to run drip for hours primarily in each just don't need that much water and in fact the biggest point when I teach nowadays or or talk to people about trip is it's so much more important as to how you schedule Agile and set your irrigation schedule or drift that really see the benefit something of the of the order savings of the rip systems. I think that's a big difference so if I can Stop you bright there. She said a couple keywords precipitation rate and application rate as it relates that one inch per hour. Let's dig in there a little bit because you're talking about in line tubing and there are lots of choices so one of the things that I've seen is people just see Brown tubing and you know they call. Hey there's that Netafim him to bang first of all it could be from various manufacturers. However there's a science behind the tubing with the mirrors and the spacing the row spacing so maybe talked a a little bit about how you know what is application rate of the drip maybe house determine what are the choices? Okay well basically the in line. which is what? I've grown up with an east go. Work with reports are point source also but in line there's bitter pre space inside a two. Okay so let's say we have a half half inch to running along and free space in. It is a device that's attached to the inside wall of tubing and there's an exit hole that comes out of the device and when the device gets water pressure to get slow too it it had allows a certain amount of water through and comes out the hall so you get a drip against the curb drip irrigation so these things are priests based at twelve inches eighteen inches in even custom spacing. Want then there are different flow low rates on these things and the different flow rates. It used to be typically one or Afghan per hour or in the case of the Israelis its leader so becomes point nine downs for our point six counts our will. What we've learned is as I mentioned before we typically apply water faster than we really need to for most of our soil? So what happens is we've developed over time lower flow in its point. Four point two six and depending on your type of soil soil the soil texture whether clay on one end of the spectrum or a very coarse sand on the other end of the spectrum will determine what flow rate we deep fry the water at and again if we apply water just like sprays on Clay Yard spray heads. Doing the side yard of heavy-flake Blake. We know that after a few minutes you get run off and once you see runoff..

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