Listen: Mister Robot, Stinson Elliott, Elliott Alderson discussed on Post Show Recaps
"The other thing I would say is Christie's notes which is reading eating throughout really speak to that. We had really good email from Sarah East about this. And Sarah. I think it's pretty disheartening and upsetting. How some people on read it are are saying this was all just a show? They put on for era. I'm positive SAM 's meal would not do that. It would be so wrong to have a raw and incredibly painful revelation of sexual assault. Turn into just another gotcha moment and yet. There are so many threads of people thinking that what's going on. I had to log off. Read it because it was depressing. It made me feel like victims will always be questioned. It's also absurd to me that they think that Elliot is that good of a liar the same Elliott who could barely say. I'm SEPE OH season episode. Five is that good of an actor. Maybe I'm being too sensitive. I don't know I will say Elliott's a really good liar. We know that he's lied to himself. He's lied to us over. The course of the entire prison reveal but that emotion was real that was not fake demotion and I agree with everything Sarasota about Sam 's meal and why would feel like such violation it would. It would be awful awful. It'd be it'd be awful. There's no way there's no way that that's happening. I love reading I love the Mister robot separated. I don't agree with every theory that's posted there. Clearly some people take it to the nth degree and some of the theories they are completely nail the show so I still find a lot of value in it but I understand the frustration with the constant theorizing housing when it does not feel like something that resonates to you and this one certainly does not for me. No absolutely not. I think what what we get misinformation in this information it's revealed revealed in this episode is is a real turn key moment for our understanding of Elliott Alderson. And I think the sooner that people who are watching this show oh get on board with believing it. I think the more connected. We're going to be the end game of the of the story because I buy I. There's there is not a single bone in my body. That doesn't think that that's exactly what happened. To to Elliott unfortunate. I agree it was twist and by virtue of it being a twist list and even though especially when you re watch it you can see coming down the pike from the beginning of the episode Mister Robot. Every time he shows up you're like oh he's just trying downplay this. Oh He's trying to flecked. Oh he doesn't want this to come up even not just an act. Four just threw out there. Are these moments when Vera says for example. Oh I get it like. She's your Shaman. Mr Robots. Like what what does that mean like. He's angry like he doesn't want that to be a thing that happens. It's possible that Mister robot is the one who you push Krista away to begin with obviously for all of these reasons. I think Taylor makes a really good point Taylor Center severi along email about some interactions that she had I believe in a facebook group asking about. Why wasn't there a trigger warning posted before the episode? Yeah I can understand the sensitivity of that obviously that would have maybe affected the reveal but that is something we see. TV shows now. I don't remember if we've seen scene one mister robot or not but I understand why there would be some. There's a there's a discussion to be had around that around whether or not putting one there. Air Affects the power of the reveal. And if the power of the reveal makes you think a certain type of way because you so linked to Elliott and the reveal comes as such surprise. Maybe you feel more sensitive to abuse victims in your life. I can see the argument either way for including or not including warning like that. I think Taylor wanted to have that discussion Russian and was felt really bad about the treatment. That Taylor received Taylor also pointed out and I think not unfairly that the title card at the end was about domestic violence in that you could easily easily have put up a title card for rain. The rain number is one eight hundred six five six four six seven three. If you know anyone who may need that or if you need it yourself you ever need to talk to anyone in the national sexual assault hotline for the Rape Abuse and incest national network. So I think there could have been there are our discussions to be had about whether or not this show handled all of those aspects correctly or as well as it could have but I think I think the wrong way to look at this is but this was all just a trick that is not something even if the show may doesn't nail it inch perfectly in terms of the handling of the subject material and I'm not criticizing what they did. I think that the show would never violated in that way for sure. Yeah the top episode. This is a tough off episode. It's a heavy episode. This dark show. This is a heavy show. This difficult show to grapple with because the story is it's twisty turny. There's a lot of knots to untie. But this was this was difficult on a gut level. This difficult on that way. Punch you directly in the heart level level. How do you survive a punch to the hardest? That's tough that's really like fear that was more mortal Combat Talon but I think like there there were there. Were some people who wanted to feedback to make us laugh a little bit now. Al had written it instead so stressed as weird things to your brain for a moment before the big reveal. I had the thought that Elliott's third might be Kevin mcallister. The Snowman Dan in my head. He looked like the snowman from the nineties. Horror Movie Jack Brought Amazing Was Jack Frost Ninety s horror movie. Is that Michael Keaton movies. That's what I'm saying. They try to harbor those a family though. It's there's a great episode of the PODCAST. How did this get made? I highly highly recommend you listened especially at this holiday season. Listen to the Jack Frost episode if you can find it in there maybe they'll reposted in their feet or if you have access to some of the stuff that's paywall or if you can find it on youtube or somewhere else like online. That is a hilarious episode. Because that movie is out -rageous the totally the tone of that movie I can understand. Then why Malkhaz it a horror movie. It is a messed up weird movie no doubt about it that said. Can We talk about this Jack Frost. This is Michael Keaton. Yeah Preston and it's a sweet tale about how snow dad is better than no no the line for the uh-huh yeah I understand that. That's what it's about and that's fine. I just I encourage you offer Barath up the IRA DB page for that and look at his face on the cover of the poster. And you tell tell me. That's not a horror movie. I get it I get it I get it I serial killer is a killer I that's for sure it is very very odd I. It's just in general. I can't wrap my head around and I said I know I love the Mister robot celebrated. I cannot wrap my head around and we haven't talked a ton on this podcast. A We talked on the reaction show about how we think at this point. Now the read for the other one is that it's Edward Alderson but everyone keeps talking about an altar third personality Severa Darlene. That how how is that ever going to be possible. Like what how. How could it be? Kevin mcallister how could it be quartey. These people that think it's cordy already like I don't understand in my brain. I don't understand my brain. Can't be wrapped. Wrap it around that that it could be something like quality that it could be something like Kevin. mcallister it's funny. Because I just can't get my head around it no I I am. I'm really here for the idea that Mister robot was messing with Elliott during Darlene. Saying Berra's back in town and you for me like you get all the evidence that you could possibly need for that in this scene where Mr robots once again and lying to Elliot so we know that like even like this most recent mister robot is still willing to lie to Elliott if it means preserving his existence Stinson Elliott's life and being able to continue protecting. Elliot's so is the through line there that Mister robot would have lied to Elliott at that time because he foresaw. I saw that Vera would crack this code or that like there is some kind of danger that threatens to destabilize the existence of Mister robot for Elliott. Yeah yeah may maybe mister robot maybe Elliott recognizing some measure of himself in in Vera Right. Like maybe I mean we know that Elliot does is the deep dives into everybody and when he does a deep dive in Nevada. In the first season doesn't you say like this is one of the worst people I've ever had. So he knows every single detail about Sarah like what. What about various past? Does he know how much of it is resonant with if you can look that far inward or at least the Mister robot piece of him knows that stuff So it wouldn't surprise me wouldn't surprise me. If mister robot senses that Vera would be would lead him directly into the storm that would take him out of the picture forever. Yeah I mean it's possible. It's possible that that would have to be the read for why he would cover that up or just generally that he feels like any interaction. Action with Vera is not going to end. Well that said it's a very dangerous read right because it's very dangerous to say we're going to leave this guy on the board. The the story that we're telling at the beginning of this season is that Elliot is single minded in his purpose. That Elliot is so dedicated to taking down white rose in Cyprus I percents bank and the Dais Group and that Mister robot is committed to that but to a point. Mister robot doesn't want Elliot to charge into that building that e Corp owns Where Freddie Lomax had given the address and Elliott is looking for this character? That isn't there and he ends up in the honeypot. Like mister robot is the one at arguing for caution in these moments if that's mister robot that Elliott needs to also be protected from danger in general from life threatening danger that I'm not sure that mister the robot leaves Vera out there in the ether coming after Elliott. I especially when Vera knows where Elliott lives every moment that Elliott spends at that apartment is a moment where this psycho who has killed someone in your direct orbit and who has kidnapped you before and threatened and killed people around. You may do that again. I just it's harder harder for me to believe that Mister robot actively ignores that when his role is to protect Elliott so I think the door is still open for a third a third version in in terms news of Elliott. But I just don't I don't understand how it could be a fish like so elliott so darlene told the fish. The fish is not even around anymore. Like some of these things. I don't get either jokes. I don't think people ultimately take them all seriously all of these alter theories but I think people are still what I can tell about read. It is it seems it's like a lot of people are still obsessed with this aspect of the show. who was the alter? What about the other one? And I've just sort of lost the plot on that I don't care about it as much anymore. In light light of what we just saw that does re contextualised the whole show in a way that a third character reveal That's what I was expecting. I was expecting something to do that. And now this thing that happened has done that so I'm not still looking around behind every corner for a third personality even though there are things that don't completely add up to me. Even they may add up to you so td. I keep saying it's because this show it could change the it just changed completely. It could change completely again next week. All right well before we start looking ahead to next week. Is there any feedback. You want to get into anything that we left on the tape. Why did Sarah Slot the Nova wrote in? And I said can we talk. About how hilarious bit was when Baron is goons tried to save clamped. Where did he pull that from He? I mean he used A. I think a racial slur modified racial slur to say where he heard from. But it is. I guess that's just New York. It's a it's a melting pot so Dominican guy can go to the Dominican Republic comeback to New York. He can be there with a scenic Jews and pick up some of their lingo and try to say it because it is more appropriate than anything he can think of on his own. We haven't acknowledged young. May as peanuts.."