United States, CBS, Reporter discussed on Bernie and Sid in the Morning


How are you? I'm doing just fine. Thank you. Appreciate you coming on the program. Listen to start with you born in South Africa. And I think you went to school in England eventually and you ended up a working you spend half your career on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan. I mean, that's that's one helluva career. Well, thank you, actually, I ended up in school in Paris. And when I studied in what's over there. I never went to England. But you know, we were former colony so right joy. Yeah. That's true. Now, let me ask you this question lower before you get into some of the politics of the day. I mean, listen, you could have clearly easily gotten a job with the BBC as, you know, some reporter or CBS even domestically here in the United States, but you chose this a war correspondent occupation. And what what was your thinking in that turned down the BBC actually in order to take the job at sixty minutes. But my thinking that was very simple. I was like a homing pigeon with a GPS and that just was sending me. Straight to those places because I always I always knew that I could go to the end of the line and to see and do things that you know, maybe other people couldn't do. And I I was born to do this. It's in my DNA, and it's in my blood. Well, listen, God bless you. Listen to you. I've seen some reports and you were wearing a helmet and some dangerous areas. And by the way, I won't dwell on this. But I loved your you're you're sticking up for general mcchrystal back when the journalists wrote some nasty stuff about him. But that he overheard. I I like that as well. And I knew that guy Michael Hastings. I also knew David Bloom, by the way who you want a an award. Which is very special to me. Well, he was a war correspondent himself for NBC and he died in Iraq. But so so anyway, those and you almost lost your life. You're covering the quote, unquote revolution in Egypt interior square and mob descended on you. And I mean, it was awful you spend four days in the hospital, but you survived that, then you went back to work when I was gang raped and sodomized beaten for, you know, well over forty minutes and almost died, but what was really interesting to me was that before you know, when I was the darling. The mainstream media that was a big deal when people very sympathetic, and then when I when I did a story on Benghazi that, you know, people didn't like and seventy after that it was downgraded from rape to being groped on the streets. I one reporter. So that tells you a little bit about the politics of the moment that is extremely telling lower Logan, formerly of CBS. It really is because. Yeah, the Benghazi thing, I it was it didn't portray a Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama in a good light. And for you to shine a spotlight on it and ask questions about it puts you again in their disfavor. And that's when you first experienced the bias that exists in the media today. And speaking of that before. Gazar? One of your predecessors at CBS Bernie Goldberg wrote a book, he was he wrote a book called bias, and he outlined the bias at CBS that you experienced later on. But but that was the beginning of your nasty experience with the mainstream media and their left wing bars or yes. And it's interesting because medicine America, the propaganda organization that that led the charge in attacking me. They like to say that it was a failure of journalism, which is really joke because what propaganda organization, which by the way is their own words to describe what they do cares about good journalism. They don't they care about the propaganda that serve them. Right. And so the idea that this wasn't a political assassination. You know is just if you don't believe that. And then you just need to know that there's a lot more to the story than they put out there. And and if you look around today the effect of what happened to me is when do we hear news from Libya? What do we know about the failure of the US policy ended up? Yeah. And the failure of Libya today, which is an absolutely failed state. If you can believe it. It's worse today than it was under Gaddafi. And yes, reporters stay away from that. Because no one dares, you know, go to Libya and report the truth about that. After watching what happened to me and my sixty minutes team after watching what happened to you. And plus they don't want to highlight the fact that it was a stupid move. To take out Qadhafi at that point, which again, reflects poorly on the former president and the former secretary of state, and nobody wants to talk about that, of course. But allow Logan let's get into some contemporary politics right here. The president was just I mean, the mole report came down and he was completely exonerated no collusion whatsoever. We listened to two years of some of these reporters with and deep state actors former Intel people and and politicians talk with a tude about the collusion that Trump the President Trump had with the Russians. Yes. It's quite stunning to me because you know, as a journalist part of my job, and I'm sure you're familiar with this, right? When news breaks, I'm only study to figure out what do I need to be doing? What do I need to focus on something? I'm missing here. Is there a story that this might lead me to and the first thing I do for that just to try and separate the fact from the opinion from the analysis and also from the spin, right? And this is what I told people, you know, from Portland Oregon to Campbell California to, you know, the Harvard avenue York to Pittsburgh to Tulsa, Oklahoma. When people ask me about this. I never dishonest or disingenuous I tell them straight up. You know, when I look around I see a whole bunch of anonymous sources whose motivation, you know, in bringing down their successes is pretty obvious. And and I posted you have sex. There's not a whole lot of factor cling onto so as a journalist not I mean, I've never done a politically motivated thing in my entire life. And and I look at everything as a journalist and as a human being and people who've seen my work. No that no one is ever watched. Her story of mine had any sense that there was politics in it, except you know, because I dared to choose to do a story about Benghazi, which for me wasn't even a political decision. And and when I look at what we know it was obvious from the very beginning that the collusion was a joke. Why because you had you had people like general, Mike Flynn who Trump brought him in as the clean. He was the guy was gonna clean up the intelligence agencies because it was an open secret in the intelligence community that they were bad elements within those agencies who had been abusing power, and and committing crimes using the surveillance tools of the United States, which were designed to be used against our foreign enemies, and using it against American citizens and contrary to what we've been normalized to kind of believe that is actually illegal, and it doesn't just happen in every election. It doesn't just happen. All. All the time. It's a violation of the constitution and of US law, and my friend was going to clean this up and hold people accountable. That's why Trump appointed him. And so he was the first to be targeted, and it was kind of ridiculous because you know, you wonder did any journalist actually reporting on this. Do they have any sense of what the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency does the top intelligence official? We were fed this narrative that Mike Flynn was vulnerable to be mailed by the Russians because it had this phone conversation with the Russian ambassador that oh my goodness. Then he then, you know, had lied about. Does anyone know what the CIA does why one of the resource this is to monitor foreign diplomats on American soil, and by the way, foreign governments. They use their spy agencies to monitor American diplomats on their soil. It's standard spycraft. Okay. It's one of the most basic tenants of of espionage for any government and at the same time. What is counterintelligence? Do. They wanted to. They senior US officials who are interacting with these people because that's how you find out if your own people are between you so the idea of the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency had no, you know, did didn't expect that the CIA and counterintelligence knew exactly what was going on with those clothes in the Ryan had something that intelligence agencies didn't have. I mean, it's the most basic form of journalism to figure that out. You know, I don't expect that the average American is going to know this. That's our job as journalists. And when we don't do our job that's a red flag to me. And that's just one example of many that I could give absolute, and I know you can go on and on look it was it was corrupt journalists, and it was really some dirty. Cops dirty dishonest poss when you say corrupt because it's not just corruption. It's politically motivated, and and and it's propaganda and propaganda. It's done with. Purpose and journalists we are not activists. We are not lawyers in a court of law trying to prove a case, we don't get to just select the fact that support Alvin of the story that's not the truth. And that's not honesty that's being dishonest and being extremely deceptive and misleading though. You're absolutely right. They essentially participated with the for mentioned, the dirty cops. And and some of these politicians in what was an effort at a coup d'etat. There's no question about it. I agree with you a thousand percent on that. But let me just quickly on the way out because we're out of time lower Logan, and you're great. You're fantastic. What are you going to do? Now. Now that you are you're putting your your feelings on your sleeve. You're honest, your objective, and obviously that doesn't work at the conventional networks, what are you going to do now? Well, you know, what I'm going to keep doing what I've always done. I'm going to be a journalist, and I'm gonna try, you know, I'm gonna continue doing the work of a journalist. And I don't know exactly what I'm gonna do it for you. But I know what I'm gonna keep doing what I did from the very beginning. I'm gonna show up with as a story, and I'm going to report on it for whoever's willing to put it out. So you know, that's what you can expect from me. But I tell you what I'm not going to do. I'm I'm not going to. I'm not going to play the game. I'm not gonna be intimidated. And I'm not going to be silenced. I have a friend of singer songwriter jewel. And I said to her once, you know, I feel like my freedom. I'm not free as a journalist. I can't just work. Everything is now politically motivated them as political and we get we get absolutely murdered. They take not just your voice or your job at your whole career and way from you. And she said the best thing ever to me. She said nobody can take your freedom from.

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