Listen: President Trump, Syria, America discussed on Michael Medved
"Very happy to invite our next guest. None other than the heritage foundation's vice president for foreign security policy, my friend, James j car Affonso, Jim are you on the line? It's going to be with you know, I I dig the America first thing, but couldn't get like more hard-driving music like a waste. I know it's a British fan. But no my engineers saying thumbs down LeRoy gets lost cut. If it's not Queen. Oh, Billy, Joel. It's up to LeRoy. So I don't know. You gotta go to another radio station for that. I'm sorry. Not in the system right now. He says it's not in the system. I'm sorry for the next time with the next time, you're on we love the Heritage Foundation. What k- James is doing those incredible. Because you the mothership of conservativism here in America. But we need you here as your former Armagh guy. Right. So it was in the army for twenty five years is actually an artillery officer, Tillery soy, you still. You can still hear what I'm saying. How could you have been in the alternative, and that is quite incredible? Yeah. Mostly because like I did with missiles, and we didn't fire those very much got it. Is a graduate of West Point. And he is the man on national security the heritage. And that's why we want to talk to him about two big things the president and his policies with regards to the Middle East, especially Syria, and then our second segment. He's graciously agreed to stay for two segments. We're gonna talk about the border, and what's the national security? Take the politics out of it. The shop down and Nancy and her boss and everything else. And let's talk about the the national security aspects of the border, Jim as the man heritage responsible for national security is the president right with regards to Syria. Are you worried about the future of the Middle East? If we take out those two thousand marines, what is Jim Califano's take on the Trump doctrine, she'll let me start with the criticism and then move on because I 'cause I don't want what I think is actually legitimate criticism to to get confused with where we on the policy. Nobody knows this better than you. Do the president is an unconventional statesman politician. He's not a politician. Right. Human ever made. And that's fine. And and that's who he is. He's always been that. He'll never change at an and he uses it with great effectiveness. And and I I think nobody has a right to tell me can't do that on the other hand the president is also the commander in chief. And as the commander in chief. It's response he has his responsible. He doesn't have to do it. Personally, you could tweet once, but he's responsible to make sure that his government speaks with a clear and consistent voice to friends, and enemies. And I do think in the the rolling out of the president's Syria policy that a legitimate legitimate criticism to say the presence that we're doing this. And there was no explanation of how are we doing this? How are we going to protect America's interest house makes sense? And I think there was a lot of friction and misunderstanding which. I would not have happened. You know, if if if the rollout had been more conventional now, there's the question of packaging and messaging lets you we have an issue with that. Let's talk about the content. Right. Let's let's put that aside. 'cause I offer in the president. I understand how he got there. And that's important for people. Remember, why were we in Syria to begin with? And it's because when Trump came into office he said, we are not defeating ISIS fast enough ISIS is declared a caliphate. That's not just a a territorial claim that's a historical claim that history has changed that the moment of the the Islamist wising has happened and thirty thousand foreign fighters from around the world listening to that clarion. Call poured into the Middle East, creating mayhem and murder and rape. And and Trump says that has to stop we have to destroy the physical caliphate, not just a military defeat, but a massive psychological defeat. We're not gonna kill every guy guy nicest, but we have to spread the organization. The wind. So it's not a global power anymore. And and the military went back and said, do you know, they probably didn't say, dude. We can't do that. Unless you never know with Mattis. He might have said unless we physically put a footprint on the ground in Syria and the president said, okay. Right. And in a year, we aqap we we did that task. And then the president's. Okay. Why are we still there with the mission is done that particular task is does this is this is this is really important for for people to understand how the president thinks there are no sacred cows for him just because something has been done a certain way for ten years twenty s he says he asked the question. So what is it the right way? And you are so right to identify. And it's actually Steve Bannon gets the credit. He he he came up with the phrase the physical caliphate in the White House. And we said that's our objective crush the physical caliphate. So six months ago when when the physical caliphate have been crushed the president asked the commonsense question, why are we still here? Right. And you know, we should be leaving. And there was a lot of press about that. And I think fairly people came back and said, well, we've got some legitim-. Issues, you know, when we leave. We don't want to repeat what Obama did we don't want to leave a back that creates more problems, right? We don't want the promises of serious spillover, destabilize Iraq or Jordan. You know, we don't want to leave space of ISIS can come back. We don't wanna have tens of thousands more refugees pouring out into the Middle East in the western Europe. We don't wanna have Israel and around come, you know, lock horns in a war. And and the president rightly shut, okay, I hear you you need more time. How much time do you need, and they said six months and the president said, okay. And then when the six months or up, the president went back, and you know, and not wanting to essentially be slow roll by own government said dudes. Did you hear what I said you said you need six months? I gave you six months we are moving on any any basically did that publicly because he wanted the bureaucracy to understand that that that it was time to change now on the remarkable thing is Jim thank you for reminding us. Everybody forgets to mention what he said six months ago. Right. And and you know, again in his okay, there's not a time line. The president can say we're going to be out by this date. He didn't repeat the mistake of Afghanistan and say there's a time like your he didn't give the plan away. Say this is exactly what we're going to do. So the bad guys. Good guys. We're doing okay, all that is kind of justifies, you know, why it's appropriate for the president's gonna bang is putting the tables that do it's time to start to move to the next stage. But the, but what we didn't know weeks ago when the president said that is how does that unraveled, and what is clear is in the ensuing weeks? Whether the administration has put started to put together, the pieces of a plan that begin to reassure those of us who have a legitimate concern that we don't want to have a permanent footprint Syria forever. That makes no sense. But how are we gonna dress shoes? Like, we don't want to -tarian catastrophe. We don't want to destabilize his neighbors. We still want to be able to go after ISIS. We don't want. The Israelis Iranians have a war in Syria. Do we have the bits and pieces in place to do that? And increasingly I think we're being reassured that that is being done. And I think that is all to the president's credit. But. Good one more thing on the table here. Thirty seconds. Why it's important to do that is because if we just sat there, which is what a lot of people wanted to do for no strategic outcome someday. We would have another Khobar Towers or Lebanon barracks. Mogadishu at where a lot of people died. And then people say, why are we here and the answer would be it's all Trump's fault. So he did the right thing he made a tough choice, and he doesn't get credit for that. And again, he's doing that. Which he said he wanted to do all along, which is to have our partners be able to fight their wars and to have us help them. So it's about capacity building as we call it in the Pentagon when I was listening to me, Sebastian Gorka in America first, and we are talking to none other than James tariff."