Conybeare Barrett, Phyllis Schlafly, Robin discussed on The Takeaway

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Judge bear the exception and not the rule. It's an interesting tension because on the one hand I do think that any conybeare Barrett reflects a certain model of conservative professional advancement Conservative motherhood cultivation of community and marriage, which is very much in keeping with the kind of model of what good Christian woman had looked like. But there are also many women who are in conservative environments and conservative Christian environments. From pursuing high powered professional careers who were told that they need to a privilege, their husbands advancement over their owned. So certainly I do think there are conflicting cultural messages depending on what kind of community are end and the kinds of values that they hold. Robin. I'd love to dig into that point a little bit more in especially this idea that you could have a conservative feminism. If you will and I'm wondering if you're as we see more Republican women being described as models of female empowerment from judge buyer it to Sarah Huckabee, sanders to former US ambassador to the United Nations. Nikki Haley How do you see this playing out Robin among conservatives? Is there a conservative version of feminism or is it not are the pillars of modern feminism at odds with conservatism in US politics? Well it seems to me that one of them you know misguided ideas is the notion night feminism is something that is attached to gender whereas it's it's a it's a philosophy of life. It's a an understanding of gender being equal and so I think that some of the things that are raised by conservatives suggesting that somehow the culture has not allowed conservative Christian women to flourish seems bist bit misguided in the sense that it's not the culture that's allowing them to flourish. But rather it's their own life choices and it's their own community that has impose limits whether they are real or rather they are psychological. So it seems like to me it's a bit of. A misguided idea that. There needs to be this kind of conservative Christian feminism in order for you know women of faith to have both ambition and also have a home life and certainly previous justices. were. People of faith. So the idea that somehow Barrett is this rarity I also think is a bit of a stretch. 'EM? I'm wondering too. There are some may recall Phyllis Schlafly who was the conservative anti feminist activists who essentially played a key role in defeating the equal rights amendment decades ago and some are drawing parallels to phyllis and just Barrett our seeing some of that. Will. Certainly leave. That's part of the chatter and the great irony Phyllis Schlafly is that she was a high powered extremely professional, extremely savvy woman with a huge platform, a huge career that allowed her to intern at that women remain in their domestic roles and lean into motherhood and wife hood above and beyond having a career I don't necessarily think that's what's going. On with Amy Barrett I think it's a little bit of a next Gen Phyllis schlafly if you will because she has said self-consciously that both her and her husband have worked hard to have successful careers she said that her father taught her messages like anything a boy can do a girl can do better. It never occurred to her in college that men and. Women would be treated differently. She clearly doesn't see the same kind of tension between having a really successful career and having a whole life. In fact, she's to present them as two sides of a rich life. She said that not fulfilling that kind of home life and family life is shallow and unfulfilled. She's trying to offer this model of both rather than one. Over the other I'm wondering if there's been an emphasis on judge Barrett's motherhood and being a mother, and if that's a somehow a way to sort of position her as somebody who shouldn't be questioned you know with the hard questions or not to be perceived as someone who should be attacked if you will wondering Emma, what do you think about that? I think Democrats walked into this hearing with a big optics challenge, which is this woman who has a lot of support from her community at Notre. Dame who has seven children one of whom has down syndrome who she reportedly carries down the stairs every morning in piggyback style and two children who she adopted from Haiti. It's really difficult to look at her and big family in the lakes that she's chosen and really go on offense to try to attack her personally make her seem evil or out to be someone who's scary and so the way the Democrats have taken that challenge is by really complimenting her family trying to be very warm and. Accepting an open, the kind of personal life that used presented, and then use that to dovetail into these empathic exchanges especially about the affordable care act. So it's a real thread that they're trying to to follow here of not going too far to be aggressive on the offense and seemed to be maybe churlish or uncouth while at the same time trying to get their points across that, they think that her jurisprudence could potentially be a huge danger to a lot of Americans especially those who have coverage under the affordable. Care Act. Robin I'm wondering just in terms of to piggyback off of what Emma was saying they're just in terms of how we view motherhood in this country and the sort of myth of motherhood or the mythical. Motherhood. tropes that we tend to fall into. Judge Barrett is a white mother and a white professional married mother How do you view that as sort of playing out here in terms of how she's being positioned? Well I think it raises a lot of questions about the different ways in which we treat mother's depending on You know the the the race of those mothers There is a long tradition of placing white mothers on a pedestal a sort of saintly pedestal and in watching and listening to the hearings on E. I felt that really was a point that would overwhelming you know especially as they talked about the two children. That she and her husband have a did from Haiti and the constant a singling out of them as being these you know sort of separate other different children. I was really struck by that because in most conversations I've had with parents of adopted children. One of the points that they make is that they are their children you know full stop, there's not this sort of qualifying adjective. And at one point eight. One of the Republican senators. Sort of leaned in and was asking Judge Barrett. If she could talk about what it Manse to what she had learned being white mother of black children and she kind of pushed back on that and said that you know her her personal life choices would not be entering into the way that she decided cases. So it seems that even she felt in that moment that the Republicans were really overstepping and pushing too.

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