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This is Bloomberg businessweek hello I'm Carolyn Sir and I do think Kelly twenty had for you in this hour of the weekend edition of Bloomberg businessweek including Betsy device the education secretary her background her priority these and her audience of one plus we've got an exclusive conversation in business week talks with Antonio Neri he's the CEO of HP add a review of a new book about hell Elvis reinvented himself and in the process the big Las Vegas show that's in our pursuit section this weekend marks the fiftieth anniversary of the first moon landing this massive undertaking involve many many moving parts and participants well and there's a lot of nostalgia around this I think all of us to sort of grew up especially in the seventies and eighties really remember finally sort of the aftermath of that oy our economics guru and a space fan I believe he takes a look at it from a little bit of a different level and you start off Peter thank you for joining us and talking about how it's a long time ago it was fifty years and so for a long time we're saying we made it we got to the moon and now it's more like World War we they got to the moon those people from long ago and now we we somehow canter leads for not doing it so eight in a way this a some almost something faintly embarrassing about celebrating this this and Akron ism of Americans walking on the moon right do it now okay so let's talk about a little bit though you do take a look at that look back fifty years ago at the process of what was in was involved in some of the kind of lessons that we've learned the lessons because he because think about it the technology of the nineteen sixties was so primitive compared to the technology of today it's amazing we got is a motor vehicle in the area of computers I mean the on board computer in the Apollo mission was so incredibly tiny there was no computer that primitive that exists anywhere today and yet it got sent to the moon so so the lesson to me is obviously not about the advanced technology it's about the damn management so that I think there are some management lessons that we can take today and apply them to today's moon shots whether it's solving you know curing cancer are fixing global warming whatever and not universally lauded plan especially as it went on and especially as people spend more and more money and it seems like a little bit of a fool's errand especially in light of everything that was going on in the world and even in the country in the nineteen sixties well just remember that was in the area of race riots a protest against the Vietnam War assassinations yeah I mean it was it is a difficult time for the country you also the whole hippie peace movement was definitely not about good on blasting often giant rockets it was going back to the land and but is also on the Republican side lot in public it's called this a big boondoggle so there are incredible pressures of kind of working against this moon mission but because the the NASA people and they were four hundred thousand at one point working on this had such a clear mission and they were able to put that aside and you know get get going with their slide rules and get the job done and when you talk about that eco system that leads to to one of the other really important points to to make it was not necessarily a huge government effort Carol's dad was involved in it from the perspective of the contractor right they really brought together this amazing collection of companies with the government at the helm talk to us about the lessons from that you're right if this was a only NASA's internal spends on like ten percent and ninety percent of this was done by contractors the ad Douglas aircraft company yeah north American aviation you had grime and IBM all these Denise doing a lot of the actual work under the supervision of NASA right but then we even within NASA they were different centers you at Langley you had Huntsville you had the Jet Propulsion Laboratory so there was it it requires a lot of cooperation and you know then actually there were few films they were kerf wars and all that kind of thing happened but science magazine in nineteen sixty eight just a few months before the landing on the moon summarize it by saying you know when we look back it could be that we will conclude that the greatest achievement of the Apollo mission mercury Gemini Apollo mission was more on the management side and strictly on the technology such a great lesson for today when you think of some of the big issues whether it's poverty you know gaps between the haves and have nots right now our climate change whole idea that you know you need help you got to work together is this delegate but decide you know I love this line in your story NASA itself was more of a confederation in a single agency that whole idea of kind of pulling everybody together for one mission and just it must be said that it didn't work flawlessly now then now I mean the great tragedy which will remember would nineteen sixty seven three astronauts died on the launching pad and what's appeared to be a routine test and they traced it back to problems that the prime contractor north American aviation and it turned out the James Webb who is the director of NASA the time had not known about the problems there this led to his resignation and it was a big blow at a time when the you know we were just at that point sixty seven is getting pretty close to nineteen seventy half was just gonna blow the whole thing out of the water but no they pulled together and managed to get it done anyway and that's Peter court you know we often go so wonky with Peter about the world of economics this is kind of a special story I love it first of all he really dug into some of the history maybe I'm told stories are unknown stories when it came to the Apollo eleven moon landing but he also talked about this huge collaboration so many moving parts so many moving constituencies if you will to get this to happen and all the lessons that we may have learned that my favorite mother that interview.

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