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Selassie, Peggy Mcintosh, Nightline discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

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Waking up to these realities and And again I do think that the opportunity if you will to understand how how deeply embedded we all are in a racialist world is something that mindfulness is really perfectly attuned to support us with. But it hasn't been presented that way because we've been so deeply embedded in a race last world. We can't see it. It's often used of the. I think you talked about this to fish. Can't see the water just as a resource for white people? I've mentioned this before on the show. there's a podcast. It's called seeing white recommended to me by a former guests on the show several multiple appearances on the show and also very popular teacher on the ten percent happier APP. Seventy Selassie really recommended. I listen to podcasts. If you WANNA find it the podcast is actually called seen. Sc Seen on radio. And so that's the name of the VICHA search for that and up will come. A couple of series. They've done one is called. Seeing white is called men so the hoses a man a white guy who has looked at whiteness naming a thing that I think most white people aren't even really aware of because as you said before I think why people think of themselves as the absence of race not consciously but UNCF subconsciously and then he also did something about maleness Which is both of them are excellent. is interesting is. I think I've said this to unpack. So I apologize for the repetition. But I shared it with the entire staff at nightline and the white people on the staff. Were freaking there. Were like this is so good and then my black colleagues were like there is nothing new here right so that in and of itself as a data point right because this is This is something that why people need to wake up to and and why just to get back to the beginning of the conversation. Why I don't believe this is tangential to the project of waking up writ large meditation ten percent happier with everyone call. It is for all the reasons that you just pointed out. Which is you're waking up to a fundamental often unseen structure structures within our society useful. Because it's reality and we were gazing meditation. We purport to want to see it reality and also because we want to be useful and helpful in our world if we believe in the other wing of awakening wings wisdom the other is compassion than it's useful to see the structure so that we can be helpful but it's also useful just out of much more down to earth moment to moment level if you're interested in seeing all of your neuroses because that's what we do in meditation practice will try taking a look at whatever thoughts pop into your head around race and get ready to be humbled. Yes and this is true by the way white people black people any pigmentation people. Because we're all racist. No I mean that because in this is not a it sounds controversial. But it isn't anything about the way we evolved. We evolved for bias. So this is why I think shame so useless in this context because we have evolved in a homogeneous environment where we're our little villages and we needed to be able to tell the difference between often dangerous outsiders and our own folks and so we have bias. We need to be able to tell the difference between a snake and a stick to the mind is quickly sorting in an environment of lots of inputs. And so go ahead and take a look at how your mind source and you get ready to to to see all of the things you think about yourself. minded and fair. You are and put that to the test by using mindfulness to see how. And what what kind of judgments you come to upon seeing face of a different pigmentation whatever color you are shut up. No no thank you very for them that because it's so again bringing it down to Earth. It's it's in US Peggy McIntosh who wrote a beautiful essay on White White Privilege unpacking the invisible knapsack right so looking at whiteness in in the privilege aspect of it that can come can come With white experience in other types of experiences well but her essay specifically on that she also talks about how systems how this is about not just about individual predilection. An individual psychol- psychology. Which is the temptation in our culture. Hyper individualizing it. All How am I? How good am I? What am I doing and so therefore again to be sort of defended against the idea that we're all that we haven't seen the work on because it can seem like a personal attack and I do think very helpful then to think about The system systemic structural pieces of this including Whiteness as a construct and the structure that all human beings who were brought into. Let's say this culture. I do know something about other cultures but this is my culture. We're all invited into some kind of negotiation and relationship with Whiteness. You know some sort of way of so whiteness is Is I think of it as not just about a way of thinking. About the identity of some racialist people okay so white identity is is a maybe a piece to sort of been diagram? Sort of thing happening here my mind. So how one identified oneself through language race and in recognition of the fact that. There's a racial call. Whiteness is is one piece. I think of Whiteness. Whiteness is also kind of philosophical idea of who matters and who doesn't enough a kind of a way it's a legacy of white supremacy that has helped structure notions of success notions of you know productivity That again all of us. If we've been successful have figured out how to navigate even if we're not racially identified only. Stop you on that for a second because there's a lot there First of all I've always had some problem with the use of white supremacy as a phrase. Because I hear that and I think of the people marching marching in Charlottesville. Those are white supremacists use the term white supremacy and many academics used the term white supremacy to talk about whiteness being the dominant culture But I just call that out because you know when we get into this. I think there are many reasons. Why what are the reason why I keep coming back to shame and thinking about it in the context of political polarization and racial polarization that we're seeing in this country right now is that shame shuts down. Yeah right and disables people's ability. It seems to me based on no evidence other than just looking at how it plays out in the larger culture and looking at it in my mind when I feel shame. I'm not I'm defensive and I'm looking for people to agree with me and I'm not really thinking in the most broad fair-minded way and I agree and I worry that white supremacy is just like unhelpful in that context the term. Anyway the the point. You're actually making there. Is that part of Whiteness. Is this let's succeed I think what you're saying what I hear you. I want to draw you out on it. Let succeed well it's It's it's it's kind of Not Quite satisfied with what's happening right now we're going to. I need to get the next thing. That's urgency yes. The urgency productivity allied with capitalism writes kind of. But it's hard to talk to apart yes white thing or is that a human thing. Because that's a good question and and and I heard this critique of Whiteness and I've always had this question of like I look at the Chinese and you know the their they seem pretty Notwithstanding the nominally capitalist communist government they seem to be adapting adopting capitalism. The robustness is that because of colonialism. Or is there something in nate to the human? I mean the Buddha was talking about suffering being this had many facets but one of the facets was. There's a hungry ghost in you. That can never be satiated. And he was talking about this stuff in the context of of the Indian Subcontinent. Twenty six hundred years ago before. I believe Whiteness. Was that much of a thing in that part of the world so I I wonder about this critique so yeah oh no no no. I love this so I'm just GONNA say that we're GONNA end this conversation and only just be beginning. Talk about all the things that we might right. I mean we're just to begin to like the beginning beginning of some juicy stuff and because it is this rich everything that we're talking about his own you know seminar you know practice commitment.