Department Of Education, Senior Vice President, Betsy Devos discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts
Let me introduce Hilary Shelton. He's senior vice president for advocacy and policy at the end of the Lacey pe- he's director of the ACP is Washington bureau. Hilary Shelton. Thank you for joining us. I appreciate it ethics. Great to be with you. So tell me what you're hearing in this conversation in what your take so far. If he were to give education secretary, Betsy DeVos grade, what would it be? Well, let's let me hold off on the great for just a minute Matali about some of the fixes and then we can decide great accordingly. Okay, we'll make this evidence-based, took out like that. Thank you, MS. The number of concerned pad as Mr. Voss's gone into to serve as secretary of education. I have to be honest until you and transparent as well and say that the NWC p opposed her confirmation because our feelings concerns were that are backed bounded experienced into lack the expertise necessary to handle issues a public education from pre k. through twelve. And of course, other big issues for the NWC Pierre concerns like higher education. I began hearing some conversation along those lines as well as the about the affordability of higher education. And he was talking about private higher education in institutions and the like, and some concerns we pay along those lines as well. And the n. AA CPA is also involved in a suit against DeVos. Right? Yes. Why don't you tell us about that? Because this is about civil rights laws right in the way they're the the way that they're imposed. Absolutely. Absolutely. So the NWC Pia Fata lawsuit along that friends at the national federation of the blind and the council of pant attorney. He's an advocates against US secretary of education and the department of education office of civil rights in the US district court in Maryland for the departments because the department road back, I mean, the civil rights enforcement regulations, we thought were crucial to making sure that every American regardless of race, ethnicity, points of national origin. Any other differences are even disability would have an opportunity to get a high quality education. We concerned the department of education pretty much summarily change the policies allowing for the dismissal of civil rights complaints, and the ability of organizations to appealed their rulings. So what that means is that we've actually cut out -tunities to make sure that it's known if an institution is discriminating because of wants differences and other challenges within our society and very well organizations should have an opportunity to file lawsuits when necessary and to appeal decisions. But the changes that have happened now at the department. Of education through its office of civil rights actually moved to make it much more difficult and even a limited opportunities along those lines. We're actually hold on Hillary because I wanna bring max into this conversation and max. What are you hearing an in Hillary's concerns about enforcement of civil rights regulations in the department of education? I mean, these things are are a balancing act, and I think the balance became way out of wack during the Obama administration. Right? He's talking about making it easier to Smith civil rights complaints, which you should be able to dismiss a civil rights complaint if you've spent years and years investigating and found no evidence of wrongdoing, but under the way the Obama administration do these investigations, certainly something like school discipline, it's it didn't matter whether or not you actually found any evidence of discrimination. These so-called investigations were actually an enforcement tool to core school districts to change their policies. So I think that these things are a balancing act. It's not about rights versus no rights. It's about how. Do we, you know, balance trying to make sure that students have a an appeal if they feel that they've been screwed it against without letting that become car 'blanche to have the department of education, rewrite local policies. So Hilary Shelton if it's about a balancing act, your concern is the balance is gonna little bit too far in the other direction. It's well. That's certainly what he's arguing, but I would argue that quite frankly, will be done now with these changes, it means it without they made these changes. Let me just back up for just a second without going through the legal required notice in comedy period, the would prevent the piano, the organizations to voice our opinion before they made these public changes..