Listen: Britain to Considers Suspension of Arms Licenses to Saudi Arabia
"Campaigners have one eight legal challenge over the United Kingdom's decision to government's decision to allow home sales to Saudi Arabia, which is engaged in the war in Yemen. The court of appeal today ordered the government to review the way it grounds export licenses for themselves to Saudi Arabia after routing the current procedures were unlawful. That's talk about this now with Maltin Butcha policy adviser on conflict at Oxfam international. He joins me here in the news studio your reaction to today's Michael decision, court of appeal decision, I should say it's a tremendous victory for campaign against arms trade for Oxfam supported them, but most of the people of Yemen because this war has dragged on for four years, fueled by British and other the government has said that they're going to look at this, but it does oblige them to evaluate whether those expo. Shirts could leads to violations, but it doesn't mean the immediate suspension of deliveries. Right. They can continue to deliver arms under licenses that have already been issued but they can't issue any new licenses and since licenses, generally don't have a long shelf life this. It's a significant decision. And I mean, the government presumably is going to appeal that looking at this decision, and that the mindful of it, but they all to appeal on there, because it's this isn't the end of the road for campaigners. No. That's right. It's not the end of the ride the government has said it will appeal this will go to the supreme court. Not sure when yet the good news is that until it gets to the supreme court. No new licenses will be issued for any member of the Saudi led coalition operating in Yemen. Do you think that this is enough? Because in the wake of the murder of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi Jay, they were country. Stories around the world. Notably Germany, and Australia is announced the suspension of sales to Saudi Arabia. Is that what you'd like to see the UK government to do? Yes. We'd like to see a complete halt to sales going to Saudi Arabia, and all the other coalition countries. But it is a very significant victory in that for years, campaigned alongside. It must be said the government to put the arms trade treaty into place that entered into force in two thousand fourteen and this is the first big test of that treaty. So we're saying the court of appeals here and last week, Belgian coats, telling governments they have to abide by obligations, which they have undertaken freely, and willingly, so in the long term, this will mean that sales of arms. Really controlled by. International humanitarian law and international human rights law rather than just profit. Okay. I mean, the government have always argued that whatever arms. They do sell to countries. Such as Audi Arabia are bound, by the fact that they will not use them against their own civilian population, and so on. But the government is part of that coalition that is engaged in this war in Yemen. The UK government isn't technically part of the coalition, but they are very deeply involved in military operations in Yemen. Yes. And you're right. I mean, the thing is that they, they have a process, and what the court has found is that they on the process that they have is not legal and the way they've been operating. It is not legal. So now they have to go back look at it all, again, this should make a huge difference. And but you but what you're saying is that you will continue to find, even if the government finds all the government's lawyers find loopholes very briefly that you will continue to find against them. Twenty four million people are native divide in Yemen. There's the world's biggest cholera outbreak. Three point three million people displaced by the war we have to keep on fighting on their"