Listen: Donald Trump, Trump Tower And Trump Trump Tower discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"That's the thing. Harry littman. That's the thing that comes out as you parse these pages. If you thought that Michael a shady businessman, you're pretty clear on that. From these documents. If you thought the Paul Manafort was a shady businessman, you pretty clear on that. From these documents the important thing here is the degree to which Donald Trump is referred to as having known of been involved in and having directed things despite the fact that he has constantly denied all of those things since before he was president and well through his presidency. That's it exactly. And remember Allie. What we have here is a seven page document with sort of. Bland and elliptical statements from. Right. But they stand in and also SDN and why you know, in terms of the three crimes that you said out. But they what underlies them is seven is dozens of hours of detailed conversation from Cohen. So we now know he was sitting there giving chapter and verse not just about his own involvement. Not just some of his own financial hijinks, the very crimes that clearly the president was involved in the storm the campaign finance crimes. And now, we know the Russian what they call the Moscow project that Trump Trump Tower overture that that connects both political and commercial misdeeds. We know all these all the statements in the filing are magnified to a degree. We just don't know yet. Has to be substantial by everything that Cohen actually said. So Nick, let me ask you hear people are saying, well, how does this all affect Trump? And what does it all mean? What does the narrative start to look like, and it looks like there was some contact with Russians. There were some desire to do business. In russia. There were some quid pro quo possibly offered to let him. Amir Putin reports of top floor apartment at Trump Tower. There were emails that were leaked there may have been a couple of conspiracy theorists who were talking to WikiLeaks. And there was at Trump Tower meeting in which adoptions, which is really the Magnitsky act were discussed sanctions against Russia. If you were putting together, what's the narrative? The narrative here comes right out of that Russian indictment in July of this past year that conspiracy to break into the Democratic National Committee steal the documents deal, the emails, and then releasing in staging the release those documents right through the campaign. You can take everything that's in these documents and fit that right in. It's clear from the Cohen papers from the special counsel that there was a conspiracy and contact with the Russians. It's clear also from the Flynn plea and his cooperation that he's testify. To that. And so if you take it right from step one right from the time when if you take it back to November. I mean, that's Roger stone's supposedly got fired by Trump, and he goes undercover to work in situation of plausible deniability to have nothing to do with the campaign. But yet he's the only person in America that speaks to the Russian operative who releases the first of the stolen documents and happens to also speak to Jillian the size who is releasing the rest of the documents all goes through to Trump Tower where Don jR, gets the June fourth Email saying that the Russian government is supporting Trump in the campaign that they'd got documents to bring Trump I offering him Trump secretary. But in the Email states better to bring it in person. We don't know if they actually brought the emails in person, probably not, but we do know that Donald Trump on June, seventh after winning the New Jersey primary would done junior at his son said that. He's going to release the next week. All of this information about the Clintons, and he doesn't. But yet a week after that you've got two point oh that Russian operative releasing information and on and on and on up to the point of the access Hollywood tape where they're actually using those documents in order to deflect attention away from Donald Trump and put it on Hillary Clinton from better. Hope you're not at work with Muller on this one because it was a pretty good narrative. I got a wrap this part of the conversation. But thank you, all of you. Thanks for all the time that you've all put into helping us understand these very complicated legal issues. Liz Holzman airy Littman and Nick Akron, much more to come on the lies the obstruction and what happens next we'll break. It all down. Do not go anywhere.."