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If a mothers in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable the infant would be resuscitated. If if that's what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother, oh, by the way, he's a pediatric surgeon those pictures of the person in black face on his page, and in a Ku Klux Klan outfit. That's you know, he's a medical student. He's a pediatric doctor apparently. So let me understand the. So you know, we'll deliver the baby who make sure the baby's comfortable. And after the baby's comfortable. Then the mother's going to decide whether if the baby's in need of medical attention, whether or not help resuscitate the baby, okay? There is a human living soul that is apparently being kept comfortable living on its own a human being, and then well, we'll let the mother decide you wanna keep it or not keep it. Then we'll have a discussion with the doctors and the mom not. Maybe we'll go down to the maybe we'll go down to the kitchen or the commissary in the hospital and see what that's like I mean, it is beyond gruesome now, it's expanded to Rhode Island and New Mexico and California and oh now Massachusetts has gotten on board. They wanna similar Bill. It was a motion in the Senate to protect babies born alive from an abortion, Democrats, wouldn't even let it come up for a vote that would have offered protections for babies have even botched abortions that lived you. Don't think it happens. It did. It it does. Now joining us is Melissa Odin. She is an abortion attempt survivor, and by the way is gone on to live a great life. As I understand it as two daughters of her own. She didn't miscarry one son. She speaks out loudly for the voiceless, and we also have with us, doctor Levin Tino. Dr levered Tino started doing abortions in nineteen seventy seven in New York state. During his residency graduated in nineteen eighty went into private practice. I in Florida than in New York and five years doctor Levin, Tino, he performed over twelve hundred abortions, including one hundred second trimester saline abortions. And then later DNA abortions up to twenty four weeks. And they both join us now. Thank you for being with us. Thank you. Melissa odin. So. Your mom, tried to abort you. But you're alive. What happened? Well, I was the type of procedure Dr Lepetit. No, did I am a saline abortion survivor, and it was also in nineteen seventy seven. So you know, what I know is that my birth. Mother was nineteen years old. She was a college student, and she was actually forced into this abortion by her mother. My maternal grandmother who was a nurse at the hospital where it was performed. So this type of procedure was meant to poison and Skuld me to death. And my medical records actually indicate that I soaked in this toxic sell solution for five period while they attempted to induce my birth mother's labor. And finally that fist day they succeeded. I was expelled from the womb in the final step about abortion procedure. And of course, they thought I would you delivered as a successful abortion, otherwise known as the deceased child, but lo and behold, I was born alive. It's unbelievable now did you ever confront your mother about this? Yeah. So I'm adopted and didn't know that I survived a sealed abortion until I was fourteen. How did you find out? By complete accident. Really? It was a pretty traumatic thing. But my sister, my older sister. Let me know that there was more to the story of my life. And I sat her mother down and never expected for her to say, you know, you survived a failed abortion, and you know, it's devastating. I wish the other side of this issue could understand how traumatic it is to live this kind of life. This is not an easy truth to live through or to live in this kind of do you have any residual physical or mental impact from this. And other oil, you're describing emotional, but are there any physical issues that you've had to deal with as a result of what you're describing is utter brutality. Right. Not long term. So when I first survived the day thought, I had a fatal heart defect there were arguments about whether I would be provided medical care. I've actually been contacted by nurses at that Haas. Spital who were there? I'm gonna meet one of them next month probably face to face for the first time. But I know that there were arguments that they laid me aside that certain people didn't wanna provide me medical care. And so when somebody actually mother your your real mother, ever apologize. Yeah. So I'm one of the few abortion survivors, who's been connected with my biological mother. We actually have a really great relationship. We actually live in the same city. I have this very face filled life that God has blessed. So we live in very close proximity. I was just the other day. She's very sad about what was done to me. What was done to her? You know, she said her greatest regret in life is that she didn't run away from our family to save me. In other words, it was her family pressure that she was pregnant. I assume another young age, and they were pressuring, right? And not just pressured. I mean, literally her mother made that abortion takes place. Wow. Don't talk about right? So many times this past. That's what it used to be. You know, nobody remembers what happened to one of the Kennedy kids putting a hospital, and and basically had a lobotomy some horror riffing treatment of children. Geraldo willowbrook when he discovered with some disabled kids, in the way, they were treated like animals, it was horrible. Dr Levy Tina, let me start with you. So you. Perform some twelve hundred abortions including abortions as late as twenty four weeks. If a if can we can cannot child now be sustained at twenty four weeks with all the medical advancement. We've made. They can. And this is this is what prompted Sandra Day O'Connor years ago to say that Roe versus Wade was on a collision course with itself because row the original decision. Seventy three said that a state could prohibit late term abortion third trimester abortions, and they picked that third trimester. Because that was the beginning of viability and nineteen Seventy-three medical science has not stood still even the WHO at this point recognizes that fetal viability starch probably around twenty two weeks. Now, there are some that survive earlier, but survival is viability is now defined barely consistently is about twenty two weeks of just station. Well, let me ask you a so you did this for a number of years twelve hundred abortions one hundred second trimester saline abortions DNA abortions up to twenty four weeks. How do you feel about having done that at this point? And then I'll ask you to describe it, which is why I gave a listener warning earlier, obviously, I'm not happy that that's the decision. I made I stopped doing abortions over thirty years ago. How would you stop you change your mind? My almost six year old daughter was killed in an auto accident. I'm so sorry when you do a DNA abortion, a second trimester Dini abortion. You are literally tearing a child to pieces with your own hands. And I did over one hundred and twenty of those procedures I did do saline abortions in my residency many years before but those became. Say we don't do those anymore, but you know, after her death, and I never thought anything of it. I got used to it. But after you lose a child, and I tell people, you know, if you have a child, you may think you have some idea of what that's like if you haven't been through this yourself. You have no idea what it's like, I hope you never find out. And after Heather died was struck by a car and killed several weeks later, I showed up to do my first Dini abortion, and literally tore out an arm or a leg in the instrument got sick, but had to finish the abortion. I mean, once you start an abortion, you can't stop you'd have to get two arms two legs and all the pieces because if you don't your patients gonna come back, infected bleeding or worse. Well, let me ask you. Okay. So an early term abortion is what you're describing at what point does it become. You're talking about tearing out limbs. And when you take them out with these instruments, which are ripping out. I mean, you see an arm you see hands you see fingers. You see toes you see ahead. You see is. I mean, what are you seeing when you're doing this? You got it. You just described it yourself now first trimester abortions are typically done either by suction DNC, or now the medical abortion pill, R U, four eighty six or Mitha practices is called. But even when you do a section DNC, and you can only do that a few weeks after pregnancy if I'm not mistaken right right now, it's approved up to ten weeks from last menstrual period or eight weeks from conception. But in reality mifepristone is being or are you forty six is actually being used in the second trimester as well. So it's being used even at later stages of pregnancy at this point. But you know, whether it's the suction. Eight weeks last menstrual period from head to rump. That child is about one inch tall at twenty weeks. Look at your hand from the middle of your middle finger down to your wrist. That's the crown rump size from the head in the rump. Counting legs of a baby at twenty weeks. And as I always tell my students and others. You know today, you're an adult one child. Once you're a baby. Once you're an inch tall. But it was always you.