A Bipartisan Look at Opioids with David Carlucci


I really want to point out on this podcast if somebody is opening up this podcast and they're listening to me and David talk about this. Let me just say this real quickly. These drugs that you're getting that relate heroin and others that are being life. It could be your one time. It doesn't, you're not going to be 6 years strong out and then all of a sudden hit one. You could do this the first time and I think this is the important part. You know, we can have differences on how we actually live with marijuana or cannabis, those kinds of things. But one of the things that we struggle with in Congress, David, and I know it came back to a state level, was the access to opioids that came out of basically legal prescriptions. And that sort of triggered off this sort of latest round about ten to 12 years ago when, you know, whether it be more health insurer plan, whatever the doctors were prescribing them is if, frankly, they had no effect. I think we're getting a handle on that, but we're still feeling the after effects from what I've seen. I don't know how that was in New York. It is Georgia and other places. No access to opioids, like OxyContin, you know, have just really exacerbated the situation. And we look at former marketing materials that made opioid seem like they were not addicted. The total opposite, right? It's one of the addictive substances on earth. And you're absolutely right. This is not a recreational drug. You know, this isn't a joint and hanging out. Opioids are a serious, serious addiction. And I remember naloxone or Narcan, the brand name accessible. And this was about the commissioner of the health department of New York State that I was in a back and forth because at that time you needed a prescription to carry naloxone, which is the opioid antidote. And if we get it in someone's system or rise up. So we actually had to pass New York and we were the first state to do this to say that naloxone would be accessible over the counter doing that legislation. It didn't need to be legislated, but it wasn't being done through the health department. The health department could have issued just like they do to issue vaccines for the flu or other issues like COVID, what we've seen with vaccines. But that's where it gets back to the

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