Kylie Jenner, Kardashian Kelly Jenner, Gio Tolentino discussed on All Things Considered


Paid her rant and her tuition and her phone Bill and there have been other, online dust-ups, a cover story in Forbes magazine that called. Kylie Jenner of the. Kardashian clan self made, an article in the real estate section of the New, York Times about two privileged young women apartment hunting in Manhattan So cue the outrage yes but is there something deeper we need to think about here GIO Tolentino of the New Yorker has been writing about this and she's with us now on the line thanks so much for talking with us Thank you. For having me so, I wanna talk a little bit about. That money diaries piece what was it that really seemed. To irritate, people well so at first the headline. Was that this woman was living on twenty five dollars an hour and as you said that's not what she was living on she got eleven hundred dollars a month from her family you know they were paying for. Education her rent and I think the story of a well off New York college, student, getting her. Rent subsidized by her parents is a pretty normal, when it was initially the headline which obscured the nature of this woman's financial support in the same way. That many young people obscure their own financial support by saying oh. I'm broke my internship only pays twenty five dollars an hour neglecting, to sort of reckon with the deep privilege of having generous financial support, from. Your family behind that I think that's part of the reason. It struck such a nerve and then there was that Forbes cover that made reality TV personality Kylie Jenner. Called her a self made billionaire and That seemed to really push a lot of. People's buttons what was it about sort of describing her as self made that tapped, into, this kind. Of resentment that you're talking about well so Kim, Kardashian Kelly jenner's sister gave a follow up interview to refinery twenty nine and she seemed genuinely perplexed at. The fact that people were questioning that label self made she said. We're all self made nobody works harder than my sisters and my, mom we've never dependent on our parents for anything And there's a bit of self delusion involved in that to understand things so you said. That the agitator directed at these, recent articles, you said, that this is much less about. The articles themselves and much more about the era and the nation that we live in what do you mean by. That and why do you say that so you know we're living in an era of world historical economic inequality you know like we're the. America is the richest large country in the history of the world and a. Full third of our population struggles to meet their basic needs there's this thing where you know Jeff visas you know the. Richest man in the? World his warehouse worker is sometimes have to urinate in plastic bottles because they get punished for taking? Too, long bathroom breaks, and I think there's this ambient really legitimate resentment at the policy. And the structure of American wealth that's allowed things to get this way I want to. Go back, to that intern money. Diary for refinery twenty nine the websites work in. Money editor wrote a response to the comments They were getting about this and she said first. Of all the haters come out whenever it's women talking about, money do you think that there is a gender component to this yeah I mean of course like young women who appear to be. Superficial are the lowest hanging fruit? For public ridicule there is but? Refinery, twenty nine, diaries are all women there's a reason, that, there's no. Equivalent men's, magazine with money diaries for men because it's young women are expected to sort of perform likability at all times and it extends to their financial life which. Is why in that times article, about the, two women, looking for a four thousand dollar. A month apartment in New York City coming right out of college they kept feeling the need to announce that they. Packed their own lunch for work and they really wanna live in a walk up and they don't wanna live in a doorman building there's. This way in which young women are acutely aware of the fact that in. This era where we do have such rampant severe inequality they are Reflexively shying away from their own, privilege and trying to disown. It what I, want to go, back to what you said in your piece you say, that our current political system is stacks so firmly in favor? Of. Those who, wish to, keep things this way that we have found ourselves as usual litigating these issues and discourse. Rather than, in policy I mean it sounds to me. Like you're saying that people kind of sublimate their anger at how stuck they feel by picking other people as opposed to kind of dealing with this issue through politics the fact that so much, anger gets channeled into reacting to these stories that really don't mean anything you know I mean the anger about every New York real estate story right to me, it's like an anger about the fact that there is no political energy to push, through legislation for like for example a massive tax on foreign real estate investment we have these empty. Incredibly expensive spaces for housing in New York and so little for people that are actually working people in New York it's understandable if not, necessarily productive That people's, discontent with the. Lack of conversation about truly redistributive policy solutions get channeled into like knee-jerk anger at Forbes calling Kylie, Jenner, self-made that's, Jia Tolentino she wrote a piece called refinery. Twenty nine Kylie Jenner and the denial underlying millennial financial resentment that, was published in the New Yorker on July twenty fourth issue GIO Tolentino. Thanks so much for joining us.

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