Dr Roger Klein, Dr Redfield, CDC discussed on Nightside with Dan Rea


But what I'm saying is that application that I've seen. That's why we want to be careful about anecdotal evidence. We're talking about a disease of seven million people with 200,000 plus death. It might be a disease of 70 million people. A doctor Dr Klein mentioned early. No one is diminishing the seriousness of the disease. We was simply commenting. On a comment that Dr Burkes had made and I don't think that that's what I mean. All I was trying to say without one listener as one listening about be using those comments to demand the disease particularly went in the same conversation. The same few sentences. We brought up hospital charging more money for being reimbursed more money for covert cases. When you put those two together, Garrett is if we were Saying that there was there was some connection or alternative. For doing for counting death in case of the way we are, and that's why I got concerned about if you don't think that was a message. Great. It was not it will. I can speak for myself, and I'll have Dr Klein speak for himself. It was not a message that was attempting to be forgiven either overtly or covertly, Dr Klein No, I agree. But I also would comment that Dr Redfield made a similar point about the about the You know the cares act in financial reimbursement, and he felt that That there could. He felt that there was likely in the D RG moron. Outpatients and death could be a potential for for for over counting the disease and the and, and his comment was what we are there we go through the theft certificates, CDC, but I think everybody knows that certificates are Notoriously inaccurate pathologist. I can tell you that it's well documented in the literature. So so I, you know, I hear that Dr Brooks. In fact, the first person to make this comment or this observation, Dr Redfield made it in front of Congress. And I am, but but I I also agree with Dan and and there was nothing man to diminish anything. This is a very serious disease, particularly for some people. On the other hand, most people who get Contracted and most people who get infected your critical care purse and you're seeing worse. Most people who get infected with this disease have mild or no symptoms. Well, anyway, now that we can agree on that, and I understand your point as well about about counting cases my my point stands, though, that I hope that they scrutinized the use of P P p money as much as they would How people are diagnosing Cove it just to get actually inverse mint because it's certainly not something I'm staying in the hospital, but we're trying to do I'm with you. I'm with you completely, and there is absolutely no no intent on my part to think that hospital should not get get reimbursed. So so that if if there's any suggestion and that major No, it isn't there. It really had to do with numbers and how and em again. I think we're not going to really understand the numbers until the epidemic is over. And people in in in a calm situation are going to be able to analyse the that's in different way and come up with numbers that including the excess. That's right now, where are unaccounted for? And t really understand what happened. All right, gentlemen very much. Thanks very much for holding through the news as well. And thanks for being a call it a night side. Thank you very much. That's kind of one more caller here. I'd like to give him an opportunity to ask a question. Hell in New Hampshire. Go right ahead at your own doctor client and I'll be really quick and I had to climb. Give Teo too. Just speak in plain language. Well, but I understand. Thank you so much faster than a second pad. I will diminish the need these if you have suspected CDC, 2018 19. Roughly 2,800,000 people died. And this year 2020. We're gonna have everything stays on track. I have 2 2,800,000 people died. The average is there you think seeing huge increase. There isn't one and that's total deaths were caused. That just kind of Steinitz was great in that patent again. It's just very frustrating to me, and it's so refreshing at the death declined and I would get off on having speech. Well, thank you very much. Appreciate it died to climb. We have covered the waterfront tonight, and we actually went into overtime. I just want to thank you, but I wanted to give Todd who's also a physician and opportunity to have sex, say as well. Any final words of wisdom that you'd like to leave us with the night, Dr Klein. Now, are you? Well, yeah. You know, I was I was I think the last comment was was right. And I think we're we're Lee. We really What we need to do is look at this disease. Take it very seriously. But look at it with a sober attitude and try to really understand. So the key points that I had made which first of all, it's extremely contagious, and Wei have limited ability to contain it In then second that most people and CDC sat in margin and what really appears to be true smoke people before that before we get enough immunity in the population after the back screen are the cops going are going to get infected, But then the majority of them are not going to get seriously ill. We need to be very faith and crosses, particularly if it were I repeat, we need stay away from other people. Perhaps math will help, but but I think staying away and that not taking undue risks. If you're at risk is an extremely important part of what we need to do is minimize that we need to save life. That's most important. We've got death team coming on the way and hopefully those get out and get to our first three founders and our honor and our at risk people in nursing homes and outside were 40 to 50% of the best have occurred in nursing home. I really This is really what we need to do is prevent death from an epidemic that is, it's difficult to contain difficult to control. But but something that we need to learn to live with is that we can and to try to mitigate the harms which which are you know, with the most fearsome, which is death, and I think we can. We can prevent many of the crew aggressive policy, for example, in nursing homes that we are doing that Dr Klein. Thank you so much. You're always a great guest. And I very much appreciate you spending the time in the extra time with us tonight. We'll talk again soon, my friend, okay? Thank you. Very welcome. Very welcome, Dr Roger Klein. So When we come back, we'll take a very quick break here. We're going to open up a different topic, and I'd like to talk about this. This crazy story out of Michigan, where 13 Um people of some political persuasion. Ah, who were being described by some as being right wing extremists, and they probably are, although, if you listen to a couple of the Uh, the statements made by some of these individuals before their they were arrested. At least one of them doesn't seem to be a fan of Donald Trump it all but I guess right wing extremists like left wing extremists that difficult to understand. If you don't think that we have problems with the extremist in this country. Well, we dio and As we move towards the election through the election and onto the inauguration. There are people out there who are looking to stir up some trouble, and I want to talk about that. We will begin a conversation about that..

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