"There's no question climate change is real. Even if one in ten Americans doesn't yet believe that so what what role can Hollywood play addressing climate change and offering potential solutions with us now is elaine low. She's reporter with variety who recently wrote wrote about this topic. Elaine welcome to the show. Thanks for having me John so it doesn't feel like climate. Change is a neglected topic in Hollywood from documentaries. Docu series to narrative narrative stories. Can you talk about some of the most recent examples. We've seen climate change touched on. I think more indirectly than directly in ways you may not even think about like for example the last avengers movie or the second last avengers movie avengers Infinity War you know people don't think of that as a climate change deep but then wipes out half of the population sort of a Nico terrorist moved try to wipe out half the population in an effort to save the health of the universe so we see it trickle in in ways like that you know less so indirect ways. I think the last time we saw a more direct addressing zing of climate changes of movies like the day after tomorrow which was all the way back from two thousand and four or you know any inconvenient the truth which was not fictional and probably I think the only time we've ever seen climate change address in a nonfiction way that has really brought audiences at theaters. There's also a very popular streaming series called our planet that is up for a primetime. Emmy lead us into a little bit from our planet all across our planet. Crucial connections are being disrupted. The stability that we all life relies upon is being lost what we do in the next twenty years will determine the future for all life on earth. Uh there's a quote attributed to Samuel Goldwyn but it actually comes from the Playwright Moss Hart which is if you have a message call Western in union. It feels like documentaries are pretty much on the knows about what climate change means whereas narrative films are trying to figure out how to incorporate that ATM message. Is that something that Hollywood is struggling with now because it doesn't probably WanNa make narrative films that feel too preachy. There's certainly an element meant to wanting to go to the theater and be thrilled right and are you going to be thrilled by listening to a lecture on the climate crisis or you're going to be thrilled. I I see a fifty foot soon. NAMI overtake Santa Monica Beach and I think that's kind of where you see more disaster movies at the box office and more nonfiction documentaries on the smaller screen. Aura shows like our planet you know I think there's an element there of perhaps perhaps wanting to see what will actually resonate with viewers at the box office in and some people don't necessarily believe in climate crisis at all well you know I I I think there's a risk of dividing your audience there so it feels like narrative films and documentaries can point out how real climate changes but what about solutions and let's start first with what Hollywood is doing. Are you starting to see some green practices on sets or in production companies. What are the town itself doing. I'm sure there are a lot of different ways that the industry is trying to combat the climate crisis. There are efforts on the corporation level and there are also efforts on production reduction level. I mean I was talking to Michelle King. One of the CO creators of evil she and Robert King also created the good wife in the good fight and on their set you they have won a production assistant. That's dedicated exclusively to echo training and will make sure that things are composed. It'd and that biodegradable utensils are used and that when all said and done and the set is wrapped that they will donate any decorations and furniture that they have have leftover two organizations like habitat for humanity in an effort to reuse those things so yeah. There's there's definitely an effort in pockets of the community and I think it's more just about seeing more institutional change at this point. Is it fair to say that network television is maybe taking a little bit more of an aggressive approach right right now. Programming wise sure you look at our planet on Netflix where you have a walrus throwing itself off a cliff. I mean five ten years ago. Would you have had David attenborough narrating seen like that you know about this walrus trying to fight for its own survival because of the terrible impacts of climate crisis you also have shows like you know a climate reckoning in the heartland which is a CBS original. It's a documentary on the impact of climate change on farming in Nebraska you have Leonardo DiCaprio's documentary documentary on. HBO This year is on fire trying to find you know never before seen solutions to the climate crisis so I think on TV in particular learn more so than on the big screen. You're you're seeing an effort there to document this crisis to show people really the ramifications of our behavior as a society society and how we're impacting the world around us the last question there's obviously a moral argument to address climate change and there's been a lot of debate about the financial financial argument about addressing climate change in terms of how Hollywood sees it. How are they figuring out why it is good business to go green well you you know when I was talking to Michelle King on evil and the chief procurement officer at CBS I was asking. Is there a financial disincentive to go green and he said You I know maybe ten years ago that would have been the case but we've found now that we can actually go green and make that financially beneficial for us in actually potentially save money in some areas so it's not necessarily an effort that winds up emptying. Hollywood's pockets with going green and making making money can go hand in hand"