Andrew Natsios, President Bush, President Trump discussed on Hidden Brain

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Nested eastern assets from Maryland, Massachusetts, Natsios for mass. -chusetts Massias printing here. Sorry before he got to us Cassandra moment, Andrew was brought into salvage a boondoggle of transportation project in Boston. The big dig it redirected a massive highway into a tunnel under the city. Andrew came in several years into the project. At that point. It was a mess with huge cost overruns. Andrew had two things going for him. He had experienced leading big institutions and he had his temperament. I'm sort of a type a. personality, very kind of aggressive and dominant figure in any institution that I run. So I could get the institution to do what I wanted to do. What I thought was right to do. He wasn't fact able to figure out why the project's finances were out of whack, but his efforts weren't always appreciate it. It was the most difficult year of my career. Actually, I actually felt safer in Sudan, and. Iraq and Afghanistan that I did in Boston. One person threatened to break my neck while I was investigating the big and I always threatened once I took over to someone to threaten to kill me. Then to that did not happen in Sudan, Andrew spent much of his career overseas. His experience leading several national and international organizations, coffee, I of President, George W Bush who appointed him to lead USA ID. That's the agency responsible for America's involvement in international development. It's here that Andrew had his prophetic moment. In two thousand three, Andrew briefed top members of the Bush administration about escalating violence in Sudan. By that point, marauders charging into villages, setting them on fire, sending civilians fleeing. They were known as Janjia. We'd the quickly took over a vast industy region on the edge of the Sahara Darfur Andrews warnings and advice had an impact the US supplied billions of dollars in aid to Sudan. Over the next several years inspire, the economic difficulties are a, we'll continue to flow President, Bush all to put political pressure on Sudanese leaders. Some of his measures were behind the scenes. Others more public. The news media began to take note today. President Bush announced tough, new economic sanctions, against Sudan, over the continued persecution of the minority population and Dr four, his Andrews actions have become a case study on affective, warnings. That's according to Christoph Mayer. Professor fewer opinion, international politics of King's College. London Christoph spent many years studying how warnings are made and which ones managed to break through the noise. He says, there are several reasons, Andrew Natsios manage to persuade the Bush administration to act. One is he was able to show how a further escalation with many hundreds of thousands of people that was was highly likely, and he was able to put that into a presentation. You chart the escalating, the conflict into the future. Andrew commissioned a study that predicted how many people would die if the US didn't intervene. He also got US spy-satellites to take pictures of Dr four to photograph the ground every day to show the villages that were being burned from day to day. And these photographs were so clear that the photographs were unimpeachable in. Terms of their quality in terms of what the atrocities were in the burn thirty one hundred villages. They displaced two million people. So Andrew laid out clear evidence. There was something else that helped make the case to the president. He was an insider was I taken seriously? Yes, because I had a relationship with the president's that's presidents plural. He had campaigned twice for George H W Bush, and he had worked on the George W Bush campaign in two thousand. He was not seen as one of these do-gooders one of these kind of liberal NGO types. Yes. He had a history in the NGO sector. He was an expert, but he was also a kind of a conservative pedigree he had experienced in the armed forces. He was seen as someone who understood that the president's time was precious and understood the preferences and was seen as part of us. And therefore, if someone who was seen as kind of someone who's going to almost national security type, if someone like. That would warn about the consequences of that kind of conflict in that country. He, he would be taking so much more seriously than someone who seen in a very different light besides his political credentials. Andrew was also an insider in another way. He was a Christian who spent years leading an international Christian NGO. He knew that George W Bush's identity as a Christian was important to him and important to his reelection chances in two thousand four Christoph mayor says, Andrew laid out the political consequences of inaction and are four where many of the civilians being attacked, what Christian he was able to show how that kind of escalation would be politically relevant to the Bush administration at the time how it would impact on the reelection chances in how it would connect to Christian constituency in the US which of course the supporting constituencies of the Bush administration because it was also Christians where in in Saddam. Effected by this violence, Andrew implicitly understood a widespread psychological bias. We all tend to look more sympathetically at suffering when the people who are suffering have something in common with us. There's another part of this. Andrew is successful because he did not President Bush to make a major u-turn from the very beginning of his administration. The president had been interested in what was happening in Sudan. The first presidential review that the president ordered was on Sudan policy. Now, what came to be known as genocide dot four did claim hundreds of thousands of lives. So it may be hard to see Andrews warning as effective. And yet if Andrew had not acted Kristoff says he believes things would have turned out worse. I think the Bush administration did active, didn't act very early, but it did act politically to put pressure on the conflict parties and they did act. I think as soon as could be probably expected on humanitarian front fair for saving lives through humanitarian action it. I couldn't have done that alone, but President Bush did it. And I have to say, I said, in my book, I think he, he ended what could have been another Rwanda genocide. So

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