The backstretch with you on this Wednesday edition of the show and you get a chance to be with me for another 30 minutes with my special guest Hutch whole sample who is the trainer of steel money. You just heard the call of that maiden victory at colonial downs on August 1st from Jason beam. Richie was on a roll turning into the stretch but couldn't hold off steal money and that victory by steal money has earned him an opportunity in the $500,000 Kentucky downs juvenile milestones coming up on Saturday. We talked a lot about steel money in the first half of the program. If you missed any portion of this show, all you have to do is head back to our website horse racing radio dot net. You can listen to the podcast at your leisure if you prefer to do it on Apple podcasts or Google or pod bean or any other podcast platform. You can do it there too. Simply search horse racing radio network and subscribe to us there and you'll get each and every podcast as soon as they are posted. Well, steal money was impressive that day, as I mentioned, he is hoping for a big upset coming up on Saturday at Kentucky downs and hutches you were listening to that call from Jason beam. What was going through your mind? No, it always gets my heart racing. Whatever. Whatever you have a horse going to win in a race, it gets you. It's a good feeling. Yeah, get you a little pumped up, doesn't it? Yeah. What type of trainer are you? Are you a superstitious trainer in any way? Not really. I grew up with my uncles and grandpas and dad and they were always real superstitious, but I've never been real superstitious. They always want to wear the same clothes every time they win a race. Yeah, well, I'm kind of the same way though. If I'm betting at the track and I'm on a roll, I have to go to the same teller. I have to I have to go to the same restroom every time. I have to do go to get my food at the same stand. I have to use the same pen until I start losing, and then the pen goes in the trash. But I am very superstitious when it comes to those things. What's the craziest thing that your family like superstition wise? What's the craziest thing they ever did other than just wearing the same clothes to the track when they're on a hot streak? Oh, that's really the only thing I can remember was they always had this where that same shirt dressed the same or everybody has to ride in a truck the same same way or this little things like that. Everybody in the same seat they were in. The race before. I love it, man. This is a great industry and a great profession to be in training horses too. Let's go back to the beginning. We talked about the fact that you have issued horses for more than 30 years. You worked at Arlington. We'll talk about some of your favorite Arlington memories, but take me back to the very beginning. How did a young Hutch get hooked on the sport of thoroughbred racing? Happened in the county fairs and Illinois is where I started just growing up. My dad and the family was always always in the business. I don't know, I really had to explain just couldn't I just couldn't get enough of it as a kid and I bought my first horse when I was 14 from my grandpa. And I was able to win with him and it was all downhill from there all uphill. You had enough money as a 14 year old kid to buy a horse from your grandpa? No, I didn't. My grandma's brother was a bank president and a little hometown Toledo, Illinois. And she said, if you need the money, you go see uncle Bill. So I went to the bank and borrowed $500 to buy that horse and I was able to pay it back and like two times. He won two times for me. I was able to pay him back right away. Wow, two