Charlene Carruthers, Wesley Lowry, Erica Garner discussed on The Takeaway

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If you can weigh in on this I mean we talked a little bit Charlene. You brought up Erica Garner Steph <hes> untimely death in her twenties <hes> and I think this is part of a bigger conversation about <hes> AH fatigue <hes> exhaustion if you will in the movement and among particularly among activists who are front and center <hes> trying to do these direct actions and Molina you've faced even criminal charges as a result of your activism awesome <hes> because of that I mean what told does that take on the movement or movements as a whole and thinking about how individual people are impacted by this people have to know the scale at which people are impacted. It's not just the most visible leaders it is our folks who are in chapters across the country <hes> b. y.. P. One hundred is in a four states in the south in the Midwest and on the East Coast as well and our local leaders us our local leaders carry so much of the burden of the work on a day-to-day basis and is absolutely exhausting work and we are working under capitalism we are working under anti blackness and working under systems of Patriarchy and so we have to do the work to always tell as big stories as possible about what's happening on the ground <hes> and those stories have to include the the dozens hundreds of people who are moving this work and so oh I think one of the reasons why you don't see people in the streets in the same way <hes> every single day now is because people are choosing to 'em being required to do their work differently because it takes a toll on your physical mental and spiritual spiritual cell and for those who've decided that this is a life time commitment. We have to understand that it is not a sprint and frankly is not just a marathon <hes> where we just we just keep keep keep keep going if anything and maybe a relay race maybe a way to think about it where we're like. The baton is passed back and forth back and forth through many people as we go along the journey and so <hes> we have to make those those types of commitments to actualising what some people will call healing justice and our movements as we developed strong leaders to do this work because it goes beyond any any individuals lifetime and the individual also matters in the work work and want to a pivot for a second because we are running short on time here but we are heading into a very contentious election season. We've been in a very contentious political cycle now for quite some time I recall into going into the two thousand sixteen election candidates <hes> particularly Democratic candidates. We're talking a lot about even using the language of black lives matter in particular. I'm not hearing similar language so far. It's still very early in the debates. They're still twenty some odd candidates but I'm wondering Wesley as you cover <hes> these movements and as we look ahead to twenty twenty is the tone different is are the presidential candidates addressing these specific issues as they relate to black Americans. I think the conversation has shifted a do you think that a wide array of candidates have adapted language in positions that were unthinkable even four or five years ago on that and the their credit to the activism organizers you've done that so when you think about twenty sixteen there was a massive like rhetorical fight over whether or not like Hillary Clinton would even say that words black lives matter and now you have presidential candidates rolling out plans for racial reparations right. We live in a completely different world than we did four or five years ago. You had a candidate in <hes> in Castro <hes> invoke specifically specifically the crisis facing bloc Trans Women <hes> You have people like Elizabeth Warren who were talking specifically about a maternal mortality rates among black women are these are conversations that are in talking points and policy issues that have been adapted specifically from young organizers and again. There's a level of specificity there where you have three or four or five candidates out there with specific policing plans when previously it would have been considered radical and hyper liberal progressive to even admit that perhaps the police needed into change or something to be different and so I think that the last few of movement have unquestionably changed the way certainly Democratic candidates but I would argue even some Republican candidates talk about these issues at all and and the depth which they engage those issues issues in in it's hard to sometimes it's hard to remember how far we've come as early as to those things it so that gets lost. Sometimes I mean is that an off is it. You know I don't think it's like I don't think this is something that static well all right. You've checked the right box. You said the right thing and so therefore you can stop caring about black people around people about activist movements <hes> there's there's always going to be pressure and that pressure is always going to force <hes> folks to consider things they haven't otherwise but I think that when you look at the twenty twenty election cycle in the twenties sixteen election cycle we live in a world <hes> that is far beyond where it was at the time and that's because of the way so many activists and organizers have been able to begin shifting and changing this conversation Wesley lowry is a national reporter at the Washington Post Charlene carruthers is.

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