Iran, Vegeta, University Of Exeter discussed on BBC World Service
Live from the BBC World Service with me, Rebecca kes- be and coming up later. This will be introducing. Yes. Met a British Bahraini trumpeter who plays jazz in a way that you may not have heard before a mixture of jazz and Irving music with Electric's somebody described my music as psychedelic Rb jazz, which I think fits quite well, so yeah, I haven't this is the Joan psychedelic Arabic jazz. Sounds good more on that succumb and with us for the whole program today. Holy digress. An Iranian American writer and analyst on Middle Eastern affairs at the Atlantic Council focusing on Iran and Philip psalms Anglo-French barrister author and professor of law at university. College London, Philip tell us about your latest book onto stunned you've got one on the go at the moment, while it's a sequel to EastWest street, which came out three as ago has been trailed in ten part BBC podcast series that are night last year called the rat line. And it's the story of a man could alter vegeta- who was a Nazi governor who escaped onto may nineteen Forty-five disappeared off the face of the earth and repaid four and a half years later in July nineteen forty nine dead in Vatican hospital. And so exposed the question of what happened to him? In those intervening for years, I've had access to. To the correspondence the he had with his wife. So it's sort of a love story. But it's also been an unpicking of the diaries, which are all in German them, which I with three wonderful research systems have been translating interpreting and working out what happened in. It's a pretty astonishing story sands like a lot of hard work as well. Delving into a we all kind of when when is it like, he's come out? It's coming up in April twenty twenty question about what it's going to be called the podcast was called the rat line. And it was. The World Service and radio foreign, and it got millions of downloads listeners still hear it. I think. It's viable and will be available forever. I hope as part of the intrigues series. But it's raise the interesting question of do you give the book the same title as the podcast, the right line has a sudden brand recognition now on the other hand one stream of thought says well, people went by will read it because they think they've heard the story in the book is much broader on his different in part because I got a lot of this McComb end. And that is I knew avenues of expiration. So we ended up with one conclusion as to how vegeta- had died, then we got a lot of medics writing insane. How we explored this or that? I'm no expert on deaf cap mushrooms poisoning, mushrooms and things. So it's got a whole new life. And just in fact, this week someone alerted me to a Red Cross passport issued in the name of vegeta- pseudonym. Alfred rhino. So we've gone wild goose chase. I suspect with Red Cross possible. It's, but it's mystery sounds like a wonderful story, and from that to another fantastical story Hollywood, which I know you're watching and we're only hours away from the next installment. This is game of thrones, which is a fun to see series. That is just been taken up all over the world. And you've been seeing how it's playing in Iran. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people don't really associate Iran with game of thrones. But Iranians are big fans they've actually dedicated their whole line of Persian illegally Persian translated versions of the book. They've dubbed the show and you can download these online. There's dot I are fan websites. They've actually dedicated Instagram accounts and telegram channels with Persian language means about game of thrones. So it's been fun watching that happened in. It's not just game of thrones. By the way, I've seen Harry Potter have a face. I've seen Lord of the rings have a face. So Iranians are very much in tune with the story like the rest of the world. So but why though because I mean, it is a very bloodthirsty story. It's really complicated as well. I mean, if you miss any of it, you'll you completely lost. You have to watch the whole thing. Renzo weekly. That is. Is it a feminist tract at some people arguing and how does that play Iran? Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna open an dancer Rebecca's question first because that will explain impart the feminism question, which is that actually it's reminds Iranians of the Persian epic the shot Amanda keep of ki the king of kings. And essentially there's a lot of storylines of people taking the throne and losing the throne in all this drama. And there's a lot of strong women characters in the shot and minds them of their historic pass, which is relative to Homer's epics. So they like that. But then the feminists streak I mean, the contrary to the stereotype Muslim women, especially women are some of the most strongest and most impressive people I've ever seen contrary to what people have stereotypes about that part of the world. And so I think. People are cheering for these last line of women who might take the throne in the coming weeks. Utha gets tracked. I think it's mix of things it's a mixed bag. I think there's a lot of things I it's hard to watch the show and you'll never know. What's really happening? There's so many plotlines twists you just never know who's gonna get killed the next year. Then that's true days, really blood. I isn't is quite a lot of violence against women. And you say visit big episode coming up today later on we don't know who's going to survive. I mean, it's the latest thing on Twitter. Indeed. Let's move on now. Because of course, this time last week. It was Easter Sunday for Christians, and it's one of the most important days of the year. But it was a coordinated attack underway across their Langkah churches and hotels targeted by suicide bomas now security officials suspect is highly likely that ovo the attack is were local it seems they had help from the so-called. Islamic state group has been a lot of criticism for apparent failings insecurity ahead of those attacks apparently warnings at being ignored now. These days of emergency remains in place in Salunke and Christians have been advised. Today's we've been having not to go to church Muslims or toll to pray at home on Friday, these two minority communities insert Langkah, but both feeling very frightened after last week's events. Let's speak now live too far Amila who's a British Lankan, Muslim human rights activist and lecturer in. Conflict. Studies at the university of Exeter. Thanks for joining us. Thank you Becca. Now these attacks they seem designed to try to divide the communities in Salunke, but we have seen this week quite a lot of unity in grief for the victims. Yes, indeed. We have this being a public coming together in in many ways. Of course, it doesn't show. The fact that many people are angry and Muslims are feeling very afraid invulnerable following the attacks. But nevertheless, as you quite rightly said Muslims took a decision not to go to mosque to show solidarity with Christians. They have been mosques that have been opened and out for non Muslims to come and visit. They have been vite flags put out the Muslim religious leadership has said that no moss can conduct feel pres- for any of the bombers. And you have a big outpouring of grief shock and attempts to come together. By many different groups in Sri Lanka. But what this really means is yet to be seen because we are very much quite divided country in many ways, we've had an ethnic conflict for many years. Now, we are on the cusp. I would say of religious conflict. Yeah. You say the most have been closed in solidarity. But there's also been concerns that there could be some sort of reprisal attacks just the ongoing that's being whipped up by these attacks against the government. Do you get a sense that that is a problem very much? So yes, you have to understand that Muslims were already seen as the any meal or as a threat by both the single Thomas. Muslims are seen as an ethnic. They consider themselves an ethnic, Anna religious group and. Soon after the vote ended Muslims were targets of violent Buddhist extremist attacks day targets of very very widespread. Head campaigns on social media which claimed that Muslims are trying to take over the country through the economic power and through high birthrate, and none of these claims cannot be substantiated, but large number of people I have interviewed in very hard causing his areas. Believe this claims now the Thomas also find Muslims a bit of a challenge because Muslims come from the tragic traditional homelands, which is the northern east which they were fighting for a separate state for thirty years. So any claim they need to make post conflict as a solution to the conflict for a separate kind of political Tournus area would involve the Muslims. So they've already been vulnerable to both groups, and this has just changed tremendously now because then all seen as threatening it manifested the most simplest level, for example because Muslims are dispersed. Across the country that lives side by side to Singhalese and Thomas. We meant particularly identifiable they cover their heads. So you have instances where you know, if a woman wants to stop a three Wheeler try show, which is a very common form of public transport. That drive would be afraid to pick her up onto even offer lift. Yeah, I mean, you mentioned that follow the civil wars ten years since that was over and that being much enthusiasm about the growing tourist industry in Selangor. Now that was going to help the economy, and that's just being totally devastated. Now Scholley by this attack. I think they need to wait and see because what is difficult to say. At the moment is the this is a one off event over the it's going to build into something for what we do know is that they is no appetite amongst Muslims for any form of violence. They they are very very unlikely at any level to support this kind of extremism. So they will do everything possible to root this out. And in that case, how this kind of terrorism can continue is questionable and that in entry Lanka is a very resilient country throughout the war. We had to risk coming, and we have really done a lot of work since then the divo- to retract tourism. But we have still a lot of problems. You know that as you mentioned it's ten years since the armed conflict ended any no government has yet dealt with the causes of the conflict. So there are a lot of issues that remain to be resolved. But the country is moving on in many ways as well. And you know, there is hope I. I want to kind of block the door at this stage, but we need to there's a lot of things that need to get done. Okay. And there's a lot full the authorities to do this security crackdown at the moment. Fire. Mill thank you so much for joining us from the university of Exeter..