Listen: Captain Marvel, Mary Marvel, Fawcett Comics discussed on Overthinking It Podcast
"I mean, I I would I would trace it back to the early forties and the marvel family, which was really we're talking about Kazan marvel captain marvel marvel right? The idea being that the superhero who is currently called captain marvel is only called as such because the marvel comics company is attempting to assert aid trademark and copyright sort of domain over its own name the. Actual character of captain marvel is from a company called Fawcett comics. It goes back the forties that character is also cultures AM that character also has a movie coming out next year. Okay. She's is sort of like superman. He's a little boy that turns into superman the first character, the earliest character, I can think of an in my research that creates this sort of situation that we're dealing with in the in the in the spider verse movie is in nineteen forty two when they rolled out the young captain marvel kept him herbal junior, and Mary marvel which was captain Marvel's twin sister who also got superpowers. I don't know if they were twins. I think they were brother and sister, but she also had superpowers and then the bunch of them had a family with each other. And they had a dog, right? The stuff like later on crypto the wonder dog, right? The super dog that superman had and bizarro superman. And there's this whole tradition of like just like the superhero that you know, but slightly different to appeal to different people, and this has taken on a kind of a new weight in the modern era as convicts has been seen as more of an opportunity to kind of make political headwinds are to fight to fight political headwinds right to make political tailwinds as in in the forties. People didn't really see comic books as a vehicle for pretty much anything other than the entertainment of children. But yeah, but shutout shout out, of course, to auto bender who created many of the characters just talking about before I kind of taught headed back to guys I will say that the weirdness in Spiderman enter the spider verse with all the Spiderman from alternate dimensions. You know spider. Gwen Spiderman war, all the stuff, that's sort of strange, the surrealistic style of the art and this sort of distorted and hyper deformed style. Character design the weird style of the nation. I think you could trace this all back through this tradition of weird alternate universe. Superheroes. Where if you go into the micro history of it, actually, interestingly enough, traces back through comic book writers who are also writers for the magazine. Weird tales. And thus as such were co workers with HP lovecraft at Robert E Howard of Conan Abar Burien. Right. So it's like that. We really weird dark scary creepy strange Pulp Fiction of the thirties. It employs people and those people in the forties. Exactly. Those people the forties. Fifties sixties and seventies. Those people a lot of that move into superhero comics, it was like a macabre new deal. Exactly, exactly. And so like people like auto bender Edmond Hamilton who wrote the alternate universe story where Lois lane where earth blows up Lois lane becomes super super super made and goes to krypton and saves it, right, which is sort of nineteen sixty three, you know, like so many years ago, and this is still something people have an issue with today. It's so it's so mind blowing, but these are all people who have this pedigree of this really weird speculative horror SCI fi literary tradition that they've been brought into comic books, and it's interesting to see that tradition. Kind of intersect with kind of identity political tradition. Even in this case, you know, like the traditions of hip, hop with regards check out of art style, and as an immuno graffiti, and such and other sorts of modern styles. It's just.."