Listen: Mike It, Canada, San Francisco discussed on The Astrology Podcast
"Thank you yes. I'm excited this is actually your second appearance. Remember brought episode number. It was but it was probably like one hundred episodes ago when we talked about like the the sudden rise in popularity of astrology like a year or two ago right the absolutely and I think you're right it was in the one hundred somewhere for the problem to have to like. Was it in the one hundred one hundred and fifty s right will what I also missile of about. That is now with you coming back your back and part of the occasion for this is You have a new one of several major Younger younger generations of astrologers that has a new book coming out by like a major publisher this time and it's actually on relationship astrology. So wanted to talk with you a little bit about that today. A and I just say congratulations for that. Because that's kind of a big big deal. Thank you so much I also want to thank you for referring to the younger generation as I sit here in middle age I still I appreciate being counted as one of the younger generations of astrologers. That's still the case. That's been the burden for like a generation or colluded generation or two basically anybody under Pluto in Leo. They're still considered like a young astrologer. If under your your under your sixties or seventies eighties as at this point at honestly that's that's fair. I mean astrology is nothing if it's not the second time in age so I think I mean I'll take it. I'll be a young Mid Forties that's cool. I'm Dr Yeah Excellent so You are the host of the popular ghost of podcast which has become super-popular over. The course of the past year went into started. It was not that long ago. Not that long ago it's It's a weekly show and I think I'm on episode seventy three so it's Maybe a year in a couple of months old. Now it's still pretty still in. Its early years. Yeah all right and One of my first. I exposures to your work with several several years ago and I talked about it. I believe it was an episode eighty three when I did a episode with Ian Wastewater or about queer astrology conference where you did a talk with Barry Perlman about it was titled in the paper at least a queer talk on client work and that was one of my favorites Papers that compilation when they published the compilation of papers after words and it seemed to be part of an ongoing theme in Your Work Erk which is adapting relationship astrology and adopting astrology in general to the sort of sensibilities of modern times right. Yeah absolutely yeah and they they give also sure So that I think is going to be the central sort of question and premise of this discussion. This episode we'll get into a little bit of a Q.. And A. About relationship astrology where people have sent some questions later But I I wanted to talk a bit about this. The central sort of proposition which is I think that astrology is always a reflection of the culture. These social sensibilities and the time period in which it's practiced. So then one of my questions that I wanNA WANNA address today is in what ways then did relationship. Astrology need to change recently in order to adapt it to the sensibilities of practitioners. OPTICIANS living in modern western times and I feel like you're really good person to talk to about that because I get a sense that that something that you've been doing and that's a large part of what your work it's been about and I was curious. To what extent is that a conscious thing that you're doing or to what extent is that just a natural thing that comes naturally to you because you're working with real life individuals and doing consultations all the time and so you have to make the astrology adapt to what is appropriate to them rather than you know what was appropriate to clients like two thousand years ago or something like that. Yeah you know it's it's both I mean it's very conscious and it's also very organic to who I am and might take on the world and My work as an astrologer is very much like A counseling sling session. And I'm really interested. In using strategy as a way to Provide tools for individuals that are usable and that start with people from wherever they're starting a- and so my you know and this is something I've said in public before but like when it first started setting astrology in the early nineteen nineties I I would take a pen to all of my books and I would write. It would be like he this he that and I just put a little less in front of it because it was driving me nuts because I was like you're not talking about me and and I you know as a queer person. I discovered astrology round the same time where I realized I was gay and I was really. He just deeply disheartened by the lack of flexibility. In everything I was reading or most everything I should say that I was reading. And the idea. Hi Dear of gender the idea of sexuality but also a race and class And ability all of these things have not been effectively reflected in astrology. Unfortunately and that's I think for a lot of reasons but for me taking a step back from what the kind of like old school people tell me to think about the the planet's signs or the aspects or whatever I'm working with and and using very intentionally the data around the energy of what any of these things mean and adapting to a situation a I'd like a real life situation is really how I use astrology and so the way that I use astrology is not not the most technical astrologer I think In terms of technical know how I'm I'm I'm not the best astrologer but in terms of translating it into human terms and meeting people where they're at and counseling them in such a way that I can Give them tools. was that are actionable. That's where really excellent and that is Something I've trained myself and doing a over the course of many years and And and I should say you know. It's not specific to my book at all but for me looking at immigration patterns race ethnicity class. Those do things are as integral as any of this relationship gender sexuality stuff because it's about looking at the whole human and understanding the social context that that human is relating to themselves from relating to others from so maybe that was a long answer to your question but hopefully it answered those perfect and Partly early context is your from Montreal. Canada yes indeed beyond as we say but you live in In San Francisco. I'm in Oakland. But that was in San Francisco for like twenty years. Yeah twenty okay. So that was kind of like the culture of the sort of context in which you came up as an astrologer for the most part absolutely and I should also say I'm from refugees on both sides so You know my mom was the first born to Holocaust survivors like a year after they They ended up in Canada And and then my dad. He himself is a refugee in so having this perspective on looking at a culture her and the need to adapt to a dominant culture Is something that was a big part of my consciousness before I discovered feminism or came out as gay or any of that sort of stuff and again I think. That's where a lot of these kind of like intersection. Analyses Become really important to me and our big part of how I taught myself astrology. Sure sure Yeah because we were talking about earlier in terms of going through your books and like crossing out when it's always address like the male is in the delineations. I mean that's something thing that goes back when you're reading most ancient texts like from the second century giving delineations for stuff it usually presented with the assumption that the reader is a male L. or you're doing the consultation for a male and then at the end they'll just be like a digression and it'll say and similarly for women if you're doing determinations eliminates women sort of like an afterthought in some of those older tax you get the modern times like the twentieth century and eventually we start seeing on female astrologers and the the consultations in Clientele Astrologers certainly becomes more clearly defined as women in the twentieth century and a female. L. Astrologers start becoming more dominant voices in in the community in general but even in the nineteen seventies and stuff where you start seeing books clearly like pushing the boundaries and changing astrology and adapting it to the cultural sensibilities of the nineteen seventies. But there's still a lot of voices they're the got left out and were were are not included in things that look dated. If you read like a cinistry book from the nineteen seventies or something. I think absolutely yeah I mean and and even within that I mean is mainly white astrologers when they were women and they were mainly straight And the in order to get published by natural publisher you had to appeal to a male ear and a male perspective and the great democratize. Our of the Internet has changed that ended. You know I think it's so wonderful and I think it's so dynamic dynamic and also there are some things we could speak very critical about when it comes to the Internet and how it's democracy strategy but but in the context of giving more diverse voices Kind of a Mike It's really valuable is really valuable definitely are so with that in mind. The that's kind of how you approach. Your book is coming out in the title is what is the title of the book. I'm sure it's astrology for real relationships understanding you me and how we all get along so you have to say it in that town otherwise okay. Yeah after work on that. Have to work on your delivery right So that that was was that kind of the the perspective that you approached this book from in terms of it's time to write a book about relationships but to make it relevant in twenty nineteen eighteen I mean listen. I really do believe that. Relationships are an opportunity to Xiaohua I wa and so in order to be a healthy and effective relationship you need to show up and people love to focus on leg. They're innocent this and the mercury is that you know. And that's there's a value to it but really what I'm interested in is addressing The nuance of relationships and the nuance of one's relationship to who ourselves so that we can understand that we are the foundation of all of our relationships and all of your relationships are found in your birth chart. You don't have to look your crushes birth chart or your lover's birth chart to know what's going on in your relationship to look at your own because what you can send to. What you participate in is is your chart and so for me? The book is hopefully an opportunity to teach some of my perspective. And in how I use astrology and again the way I use astrology is very simple. It's a lot of repetition of fundamentals and a deepening and deepening and deepening of those fundamentals. Because I think that is what is most effective also. I'm the triple capricorn. So of course I think that but I I have the hope to have this book as a resource for a a kind of wide array of relationships and for both a deepening an individual readers relationship to themselves as well as to others. So that I just drop something. Sorry of so that they can have more effective relationships. That's really that's that's my goal and the book itself is feminist absolutely in its approach which is to say? It does not censor maleness. It doesn't center female visit centers humanity And it is inclusive of I you know I understand in writing the book that when I'm looking at long term relationships not all relationships are monogamous. Not all relationships are straight. Some people are as this Some people are not all people are men and women there are many many genders.."