Listen: What's the deal with 'Mr. Kellyanne Conway'?
"Only this time. The person was not anonymous Trump's appointment of the acting attorney general is unconstitutional was co written by Neal Katyal and George t Conway the third the times identifies. As quote a litigator at Wachtel Lipton. Rosen and Katz in New York, but to the world he is better known as our president referred to him Friday this way. Ooh. You mean, you mean, Mr. Kellyanne Conway? That's right. One of the president's biggest critics is the husband of one of the president's staunchest defenders for many months, George Conway has been tweeting and retweeting a storm of anti-trump pieces for a presidency which puts such a premium on loyalty. This seems remarkable. So what's going on here? Joining me now is Washington Post feature reporter Ben terrace who wrote the terrific piece. She works for Trump. He can't stand him. This is life with Kellyanne and George Conway and veteran Washington Post columnist Sally Quinn. Ben, I'll begin with you he wept. When Trump was elected in a good way. But then had a change of heart. What was the break point? Well, I don't think there's just one breaking point. So he was a supporter of Donald Trump's the actually with the person that introduced Kellyanne to Donald Trump way back when when they were living in his apartment in New York City and one of the Trump towers. He was here's supporter, but then things went off the rails pretty quickly and the Trump presidency. And I think even though he was considering joining and being a member of the department of Justice it quickly unravelled the Komi firing the investigations. And I think you just saw somebody that he couldn't fully put his support behind. Let me put on the screen something that Ben wrote. I'd actually like Sally to react to it. Ben wrote. This the Conway's like the rest of the country have been jolted by the Trump presidency. They love each other are exasperated by each other talk about each other behind each other's backs. They share a roof and live in different bunkers Sally. There are a lot of American couples like that only one of them doesn't work for the president of the United States. Well, I think one of the things you can do is compare them to a James Carville, and Mary Madeline who were the famous couples she was a conservative working for the bushes and Carville was very famous Clinton supporter worked for the Clintons and. They wrote a book called all's fair as in love and war. But I think that the difference between Mary and James and what's going on. With the Conway's is enormous. I think it's a totally different circumstance. I mean, we used to say how can James I know James and Mary very well. I love them both and they're both. I think just incredibly honest honorable. They have a lot of integrity. They have a lot of decency. They just happen to disagree on how things should play out in terms of their politics where I think the difference between them, and and the Conways is that it's a difference of ethics and values and morals. And this is where I'm I'm confounded by their relationship because I think that. You know, people say and Kellyanne even said and Ben's terrific piece that what he what George was doing by criticizing the president was disrespectful. And I think people sometimes think is disloyal to her. But I would argue that the other way around that that Kellyanne basically is being disloyal to what their relationship started out being which is to people who cared about their country and who had the same values and ethics and morals. And I think that there's no way that you can support Donald Trump given what he's done in the last two years. I mean, you know, step rating children, and parents, and the borders, Charlottesville, you name it. The lying all of that kind of thing. Those are serious moral issues and to be married to someone who defends those issues. I think would be untenable. And so I I find that what George is doing basically is to speak out. What he feels is totally everything that's against what he stands for. And that in a way Kellyanne is the one who's being disloyal to him and to. To the ethics and the values and the morals that they set up for themselves and shared and hopefully share with their family, Ben how tolerant as far as you know, is Kellyanne of this. I can't for example, imagine that she was shocked when she opened up her copy of the New York Times and saw the piece that I'm holding in my hand. I mean does he clear these things with her? What do we know? Well, I know that she's frustrated by she did tell me when I talked to her over the summer about about the relationship that she found it disrespectful to the marriage, and she kind of compared to marriage vows that it was a breaking almost the breaking of marriage vows, you know, they have to be loyal to each other in marriage and this felt disloyal to her. He definitely does not clear everything he tweets and rights by her because she would say no to most of these things. But I think he's frustrated as well, she's frustrated by what he's writing. But she he's frustrated by the fact that he loves his wife and thinks that she's incredibly talented and believes that there's a man that she's working. For that doesn't deserve her talent. So his frustration is not just with Kellyanne. It's it's often with the president to. Sally. I have just thirty seconds left. But I'd like to posit this to you. Here's one thing. I'm confident of it's going to make for a hell of a book someday. Another love and war. I'm sure, but I think in the end. Either she's going to have to leave Trump or I don't see how the marriage will survive. Well, we hope it survives. We want. Everybody to get along. Thank you. That was really terrific and interesting. Let me see what you're saying. My smartphone is Twitter and Facebook pages on this issue, Catherine. What are we? We're kind of it's disrespectful to call. George Conway, Mr. Kellyanne Conway, it's not cute. It's dumb and you sound like Donald Trump bat. Okay. Black Texas mule. So so now for let me get this straight for for now covering the president with his own words, I'm equally reprehensible by that standard. It would mean we don't cover the things that he says that you find objectionable. Still to come when the president fire Jeff Sessions and replaced him. With"