design within graphic design? It is a conceptual question that is not easy to answer because ladies graphic design, but it's also interfaces line And then eventually have interactive design is What is the importance of that within graphic design at the end? What is the interesting thing is that we decided not to includes a lot of these still. We laughed web design out of the the equation for this week. So we've focusing much more imprint material. But what we chilling is that we'd to in a book on the history of Web design standing from ninety seven which is when google was registered as a company. So we fall, You know, this is the kind of a completely different feud. He can't be that liking fifty years. We have to go back and say actually thesis part of it. But for the time being we fought in a we have enough material to consider graphic design something that is more related to print. But we are including for example, works from Adel Rodriguez increase. The Neiman, That's an interesting. So I guess if we if we are in a time mission, we travel forward 100 years and look back, Will we break these things up by, you know, the the digital age or the Web design age, what? What will be his impossible question to answer now, but it's fun to speculate what will be the break Do you think it will be around that sort of mid to late 1990s When it did seem to be a decisive shift or do you think with hindsight, we may look and say virtually, no, it was the Doorn of computing or the don't of home computers in the 80s on another. Can you guess whether the sort of ages the era's will whether breaks will be gets interesting for example, all let Let's take one example like to see D, which was launched an eighty two. And then it was basically the Declaration of bath for vinyl. In final is now back in a room. Full of Romania assailed is growing it selling more in some cases than download depend the way you compare is Nanya bigger than streaming. I think. You have exhibitions now just about covers. So you have exhibitions or the prince of the stuff that people used to do. The covers the photographers. The did the covers the now completely again, on the spot on the spotlight. So what I think we will have to look can't because of technological changes instead of looking at longer phases will look at more waves of things and coming back and forth. I think you'll astray Shen is again, an example of that is that people almost song He was dads transit years ago. Like if you have told your parents, The You would be an illustrated inches of snow. Mike all know Please in a We don't need not the person starved in the family. Ben. Now you have people than they do that. And then the doing net next ambition for Cartier and Danny no. The next month, The doing the book that they created known stuffed than animating staff. The digital is more too. Than anything else, it, it will interfere Allott but it will not kill necessarily Most of things. I told you about the series until tests, but more than about what you're working on at the present Can Eat Caen reveal everything. I don't know what a a something secret A something's in the public domain. Can you wet a little now I I wanted to make a comment about the stuff we working regarding illustration, and we So are also I would like Jaime Hill it. He came here as well, but is is exactly one of these good examples of someone that his transition in between illustration and aren't you know his his work is really deserves much more than just speakers said all you know he's like a populist for it is something like that. But we we we see very interesting finding new is spaces for illustration thrives in one time. Oh, we just recently decided to is about the history of science, illustration, scientists. They have. Been using illustration for hundreds of VIS to explain their discoveries Now, it's time for them to be on the spotlight as well. I can say something about the double helix, which now we are level, he'll glaze say, Oh, yes. Of course. I know what that is the as it because we've seen a representation of it. Absolutely. Eh, for example, as a free D model of the double helix at the Science Museum, he in London, which is amazement Rickman everyone to Golden seat, but it's always like before that there was someone like, No, no, This is what I mean. And in these catch something to to show to the supervisor to the to the the professor to a commission. You know what? They were talking about fruit drawings earn. And we published a lot of stuff with information graphics, which is slightly different, but it's how is the same thing. It's a sort of a simplification process, gnat, casually air processes. And we've talked to you, I think about some of those books Abitur immature maize before it's always a wonderful speeches. It's been great to have you with us. We'll have to which has gained come and again, sooner. Once again, thank you very much Now. It's fantastic. Thank you.