"Hi Woman is bringing this relationship to the center of his life and she is trying to escape from the centrality. Yeah so the story is in fact about a man who's pulling someone in while she's pushing him away. I completely agree. Yeah I mean it's as if they're having two different relationships at the same time and I I think a lot of relationships work that way I think if you interview a couple together. They often have an agreed upon narrative that they use use to describe their relationship but if you interview them separately they'll give you quite a different interpretation of how the relationship is going at any given moment and and let's remember to this is story called. I should've believed me all this the way I'm doing it now. Yeah and it's narrated by someone who can hardly speak. Yeah he's mentally ill. Yes and there's nothing to tell you this except that you gradually see. You're not meant to laugh at him. His heartbreaking yeah. He can't bring his his story into Fox. Yeah and this is another problem that riders face. Yeah how do you put put at the center of the story. Someone who avoids doesn't even have access to. Yeah his own centrality. How did that won't get rid That story took years to write That was my first published story and it actually started did as sort of a conventional third person narrative that took place in a psychiatric hospital and there was a patient and there was a roommate and there were nurses and there were doctors and I was trying to imitate other people's idea of what a story involving a mentally ill character would be. And then I was actually in a workshop with Marilyn Robinson and she gave us an assignment one day to write something from the point of view of an unreliable narrator her and it immediately struck me that everything I had been doing. What the story was wrong that I needed to actually let this guy tell? His own story wishes both about losing his wife and about losing his mind and once I realized that he had to tell his own story in his own way using his own diction addiction and rhythms and everything else I wrote the story in like three days and it it immediately all came together. What's marvelous list to me about this book of short stories the usual uncertainties by my guest? Jonathan Doin is that they seem all to have been written out of place of enormous difficulty into a place of extraordinary. Mary clarity that little boy in the first story is learning about life and death but at the same time hi he's learning about anti-semitism and who his father believes them to be. Yeah but it took my breath away and I do plenty of reading not only that. I'm happy to report it. Took Debra Eisenberg's breath away and she's yeah no mean short story writer. She's written an introduction to the story on the electric literature site. If you want a sample of what Jonathan Jonathan Bloom does go to the electric literature site and read the first story the white spot but it doesn't matter where you begin because I would say all of these short stories. All twelve of them are quite spectacular. Does it scare you to have produced use to book this good with another book. That has to come after it. I'm working on a novel. And it's quite eight different in many ways than the stories I've been working on it for a couple of years. I'm pretty immersed in it. It has a lot of difficulty but I WANNA go back back to what you're saying about writing from some kind of interior difficulty a state of interior difficulty and then trying to render stories stories with clarity like I couldn't agree more. That's that's I mean when I decided to write stories with my life which was when I was nineteen and that was exactly what I was trying to do I i. I had had already certain afflictions with mental health. And I I. I just wanted clarity. I wanted beauty a wanted clarity. I wanted complexity and they were very hard to achieve personally but if they could be achieved in art it seemed that might be. I don't know I don't WanNa say the only way but that would at least be we some kind of assurance but it took years and years of writing stories before any of the stories you know that are in this book got to be in in this book it probably took me about eight or nine years of writing a lot of stories. That weren't very good until I got to the point where I thought a story story was good enough to put into a book. Well that's very beautifully said and I really appreciate it and I wanNA tell listeners that not not only. Is this book the usual uncertainties a whammo book to read. But if if you have the opportunity if you're a writer and are looking for a teacher well Jonathan Bloom would seem to me. Someone that defy were taking a writing class and I read these stories. I'd WANNA study with them. I honestly would so if you're in Los Angeles you look him up. The book is published by Rescue Press. It's a very special press. They conceive as their goal the the publication of books that deserve to be published. And that somehow or one regrets having to say on the show that this is not infrequently the case that a very good book deserve supplication and end the climate. Bit of writing right now may not find it. Jonathan founded the rescue press to their and his great needed advantage. I I I agree and I just WanNa thank the the editors of rescue press for publishing this book. It means the world to me. I've been talking in with Jonathan Bloom. Author of the usual uncertainties stories published by rescue press. Thank you Jonathan."