DAN, Michael, Cathedral Of Notre Dame discussed on The Babylon Bee

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Trolled and also audience. You should buy tom's books. Yeah also by towns book which apparently are not as good as michael's books if you've had a lobotomy. You might think that all right. Well i think okay so now. Actually interviewing that was michael got twenty minutes or interview. We did a huge solid on that one. So i'm i'm a amid. Would that count. Because i'm so. I'm not like super. I became more libertarian-leaning recently but i'm not like a guy who's read books like dan back here. In fact i was saying during our interview. We should each kind of like on. Who wants to be a millionaire. You get one lifeline to dan. Because dan reads a bunch of like amid it would be somebody who in the middle of a discussion about mitigation of the virus. Comes along and says well. You know what's really important. Social distancing social distancing consists of trying to stay like six feet. Apart as a way of. Now we've been through this for fifteen blankety blank months. How could you possibly think. I'm unfamiliar with the term social distancing or think that an argument that i've obviously heard a million times answers me or you know what's really important masks. Okay maybe you believe that but if that's not an original everyone's already been talking about that for fifteen months so that's not actually an argument. That's just you repeating something you heard on television. That's amid wit okay. So it's not me. No you're not a bit but now with our our audience is largely christian and their faith is a big deal to them. And i i'm interested in your. I'm sure you've answered this a million times every question because you do a lot of this stuff. How do you connect faith to libertarianism. Your views on economics. What is the case you make to. Somebody like that. Who just goes well christian. I don't get so into economics and politics and stuff like that all right well. We'll just start with politics more. Generally i mean. I don't really care for it. I find myself drawn to it. Because just as a matter of self defense i have to be involved in it but i would say that particularly in this day and age. There's just no possibility. The state has ever going to be your friend even if you thought it might possibly be. That's just not going to happen. The kinds of people who are drawn to it and who remain in the permanent bureaucracy or people who cannot stand the sight of you and they broadcast this to you almost daily and even if somebody manages to get into the white house who kind of likes you a little. He's going to spend his time fighting against an entrenched bureaucracy. That wants to resist. Every is every move so far better to try to build a parallel life apart from the coercive of structures of the bureaucracy. Build something build up your community build up your church build up your friendships build up all these beautiful small voluntary arrangements. That really are what america's all about alexis de tocqueville. All the way back in the eighteen thirty said that that was his impression when he visited the united states he said in europe. You have all these problems and the government has always trying to fix them. He says whereas in the united states instead of that there's always some voluntary association that comes together to try to make things better. And i think just as a matter of plausibility the especially since the french revolution. The french revolution granted was aimed at the religious aspect of it was aimed at the catholic church but that wasn't because they were protestants. Okay that was because they the fact that they read they started the calendar all over again and they dated the the year from the when they killed the monarch and they made the weeks into ten day weeks instead of seven which would make it almost impossible over time to remember when sunday was. That's not like they didn't accidentally do that. You know they. They didn't accidentally enthrone a statue of the goddess reason in the cathedral of notre dame just because they had nothing else to do. This was a pretty obviously anti-christian movement and the idea of a single indivisible almighty irresistible state was at the heart of the french revolution and that's been the heart of almost all regimes in the western world since then is one single irresistible power center and when that power center is aimed against you. You're gonna wish you had a little patchwork of of tiny little jurisdictions of the kind that i'm describing so i think in order to build the kind of life we want. We need to stop trying to build some some some gigantic tower of babel and instead build wants all around us be humble and not not try to fashion the world into into a vision that we have when when our own our own kids are struggling just to not be corrupted by a crazy world. I mean we have to get a priority straight. You have your family. You have your your neighbors. you have your church. These things will take up enough of your time without trying to build some giant empire something or or have a single irresistible power center so and then which when it comes to economics economics is not just about money and profit like these are things that are beneath us that. We're we're too sophisticated for that. That that's for i for stupid materialistic people. That's all wrong. The economy is how we cooperate with each other when there are more than ten us in the world when there are ten of us we all know each other's names and we can all hand out assignments to everybody but when there are billions and billions of. Us is impossible to do that so we have to figure out. What's the best way for us to all work together. So that as many needs as we have can be satisfied and so that people can lead flourishing lives. People are not going to be able to have a study group reading kelvin's institutes if they're on the verge of starvation. They're going to be thinking. They're going to be extremely materialistic. If they're on the verge of starvation okay guarantee you that's not gonna make them purer and more spiritual it's going to make them radically materialistic so so to me then the economy. It's it's understanding. The economy means understanding. How it's possible that the smallest thing like a ham sandwich or a book that requires a vast number of inputs. I mean the book is you got to grow a tree and shot and chop it down with an axe and the act requires steel. Then you gotta do mining and all the who knows how to do all those things and who could possibly coordinate everybody doing them in just the right amounts at just the right time so as to bring together this this consumer item. That costs us two dollars. That's like a miracle if you're not sure about how that happens i don't know what to tell you. That's a wonderment. it's a miracle and so what it's showing us is how it's possible for us to flourish and live together peacefully peacefully where no one steals from anybody else. Nobody aggressives against anybody else. Nobody harms anybody else. But just through our own natural activities of providing for our families which we have an obligation to do Because if you do not provide for your for your own household you're you are worse than a heathen then to me. This is like one of the most beautiful things in the world. Is that when you when you get bureaucracy. Out of the way when there's no guy shouting orders of people through a bullhorn and extraordinary order not chaos but order spontaneously emerges and. That's a very appealing world to me where we treat each other as i treat you as an end in yourself. You're not a means to my ends. I don't issue orders to you to satisfy my desires. You are an end in yourself. And i treat you that way. I don't just grab things that belong to you. I don't interfere in your plans. You are an end in yourself. And i think that's the kind of society we should want. It's a it's a real struggle with politics and religion. I think because for me. It's like i want to chesterton wrote. We tend to make politics. Two important g k chesterton..

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