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"Next project good evening it is entirely possible that this day may turn out to be one of the most consequential days impeachment inquiry as well as possibly this presidency testimony on Capitol Hill behind closed doors is being called that significant by some who heard it. The country's top diplomat in Ukraine told Congress told Congress and by the way he's this point graduate of Vietnam Vet who served this country for fifty years he revealed the in great detail and in no uncertain terms that president trump himself directed his people to push for a quid pro quo with the president of Ukraine military aid and a White House visit in exchange for investigating the firm type to Joe Biden son hunter N. investigating conspiracy theory about the two thousand sixteen election shorts affairs William Taylor described an effort operating outside normal diplomatic channels by which the president through his TD lawyer Rudy Giuliani the European Union ambassador Gordon Sunland trump supporter energy secretary Rick Perry and others sought such an arraignment talk with Ukraine's President Dolinsky insured Taylor's testimony which just wrapped up describes the very thing the president has supporters had been denying for weeks now there was no quid pro quo turned into a full blown threat full-blown quid pro quo and I just don't see it there was never any quid pro quo there's no quid pro quo no quid pro quo quid pro quo no quid pro quo there is no fro well well keeping them honest I mean the houses own transcript or that July twenty fifth conversation which is a rough transcript not word for word between the president and the Ukrainian President Already Makes Pretty Much a mockery out of those denials today ambassador Taylor's account makes it even plainer everything Taylor says he was told everything depended on Zilenski committing to his end end of that quid pro quo and doing so publicly and by his account there was nothing subtle about it in a statement ambassador Taylor describes the September first phone call with national Security Council aid Tim Morrison quoting now during this same phone call I had with Mr Morrison he went on to describe the conversation that Ambassador Sunlen had with Mr the meeting in Warsaw Ambassador Sunland told Mister your Mac that the security assistance money would not come until present Zelinski committed to pursue the birds might invest Gatien Barista is the train company that Hunter Biden one serve on the board of your Mac is a close aide to President Dolinsky of Ukraine Ambassador Taylor continues quote I was alarmed by what Mr Morrison told me about these Sunland your conversation this was the first time I had heard that the security assistance not just the White House meeting was conditioned on the investigations that same day he texted his concern to Sunland the two then spoke by phone quoting again from Taylor statement during that phone call ambassadors Sunland told me that president trump had told him that he wants Linski to state publicly that Ukraine will investigate Burris Ma and alleged Ukrainian Inter difference in the two thousand sixteen election quote ambassador Sunland said everything was dependent on such an announcement including security assistance he said that President Trump wanted President Zelinski in public box by making a public statement about ordering such investigations again ambassador tail wrapped up his testimony. Shortly before airtime joining us right now is New York Democratic Congressman Gregory meeks senior member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee congressman thanks for being with us how much more were you to learn from Ambassador Taylor today beyond what he said in his opening statement which was long and detail what we learned was that he is a Patriot that he comes with no political agenda that he has his only concern about the significance in the importance of of the Ukraine relationship with the United States of America and the fact that Russia is actively engaged in military conflict with Ukraine wherever Ukrainians are dying on a daily basis as a result of that attack and his whole focus that he was not we would not have taken the job but for him wanting to do the best voice country standing by his country to show the Ukrainians that they could we have an opportunity to be a free democratic society and not subject to the dictates the dictator from Russia your colleague Congressman Mark Meadows said after fastener Taylor testify for ten hours and I'm quoting he said I can assure you there's no quid pro quo how important is it to have some of these hearings public because is isn't it important would it be important for the public to actually hear what is being said behind closed doors look at some point we're going to get the public hearings but remember is impeachment inquiry there is no special prosecutor as it had been previously and so we are conducting an inquiry and same manner that a special prosecutor had in the past and in fact this is more open because in the special prosecutor case there was no member of I or anyone there in this case there is Democrats and Republicans and respective attorneys that are in the room so when you hear Congressman Meadows say hearing embassador Taylor today that you know he can assure people there's no quid pro quo what do you make of that comment hearing apparently you guys heard both the same things Well I'll I say to the American public it's out there now so read the trends could beat the text of a statement basically he said it was one side to meet you would almost seem as though it was in a godfather movie was somebody said well you're a businessman and you don't get paid anything until you deliver what we want and he said when the president didn't say no pro quo as if that meant there was no he said don't release the money unless we get what we want that is a quid pro quo if you expect someone to say when I know that they're breaking the law and apparently he did that's why he said no quid pro quo China protect themselves knowing that he was breaking the law and trying to hold up the president of Ukraine to get some political so that he could benefit and his political campaign in twenty twenty given that there are several inconsistencies between what embassador Taylor told you today and what ambassador Sunlen who by the way is not a career a foreign service officer he business person who is a trump supporter made the ambassador to the European Union based on that there's inconsistency before Taylor said and embassador Sunland told you last week do you think munch needs to be called back to explain those differences. I think there's going to be further question that's why we're still in the inquiry this is a serious process that we were engaged in it's not something that is joke or that we'd take lightning and so we're looking at and listening to all of the witnesses that testified because this is a drive for the truth the American people deserve to know the truth and that's what we're trying to do so we're going to take further testimony that'd be more the money all of next week we'll combined transcripts will be open for people to read and at some point there will be open hearings and so look we are doing a meticulous job that is fair and open the president just lastly the president today tweeted ah I wanna read something he tweeted he quoted he tweeted and I'm quoting so someday if a Democrat comes president the Republicans win the house even by a tiny margin they can impeach the president without due process or fairness or any legal rights all Republicans must remember what they are witnessing here a lynching but we will win he came under a lot of criticism from many quarters today I know that back in nineteen eighty nine hundred ninety eight I think it was you you call President Clinton's impeachment political inching I'm wondering what you make of the president the term yes I said those words but you cannot put it in the same context the president trump with me an individual in the context of people whose family had been subject to Lynch and so when you also think about who donald trump is and you said he's the president of the birther movement he's the one that said does in Charlotte Charlottesville fan people the people that good people on both sides those same individuals that would have lynched my ancestors when you think about what he's done he's talking about the Central Park five when you talk about all of the eh whistle the compensation that he's having the gods to race relations in discriminatory practices that he's had his businesses no donald trump does not liberty to save and used that world congressman. MEEKS I appreciate your time thank you very much. In addition to to that tweet the White House has just added this Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham putting out a statement here it is in full president trump has done nothing wrong this is a coordinated smear campaign from far left lawmakers and radical bureaucrats waging war on the constitution there was no quid pro quo the statement continues today was just more triple hearsay and selective leads the Democrats politically motivated closed-door secretive hearings everyday this nonsense continues more taxpayer time and money is wasted president trump has eating the way for the American people by delivering a safer stronger and more secure country do nothing democrats should consider doing the same let's talk about joining US senior political analyst David Bergen who like who like embassador Taylor both Republican and Democratic Presidents also seen she put analyst Gloria Borger joining us former senior adviser to President Obama host of the acts vials and CNN senior political commentator David Axelrod as well as C. N. N. White House correspondent Abbie. Philip David Extra it's pretty you're seventy grisham first of all it's nice to hear from her we rarely do but there haven't been any briefings in so long to hear her a talk about a misuse of taxpayer money the allegation against president trump is that he is holding hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer money over the head of the Ukrainian president in order to get dirt on his own domestic political opponent so the idea that they're suddenly concerned about the misuse of taxpayer money is is pretty rich and also ambassador Taylor I mean whether you believe him or not if you look at his his service to the country you know West Point graduate served in Vietnam this is Yeah no slouch no and in fact he has devoted himself to service or the country clearly not a political wearisome service and deep deeply offended by what he saw appalled by what he saw as he should have been you know about the president's tweet this morning leaving aside the the word lynching which is a story in and of itself I hope that if another president were to do this of either party that the Congress would would do what they're doing now because basically this isn't a story about the corruption of the crane Ukrainian government this is corruption at the highest levels of the United States government and Taylor's account today was painstakingly detailed he obviously had taken copious outs it read like a detective novel and his own exercise in discovery that his worst fears had had been true all along the fact is the president of the United States through his agents were shaking down You the Korean government I mean it is an appalling thing and let last point on this because I know others have thoughts on this the other thing that was appalling about this was the notion that there were two missions going on at once one was the official US policy to work with Ukraine to ward off the attack the ongoing attack from the Russians and the other was running completely in a parallel direction and that only compounds the seriousness of the it's about is they had the inside track to president trump because of TV lawyer Rudy Giuliani and whereas the the the the career diplomat did not in fact the ambassador gets gets fired and the Taylor describes on several occasions. Career officials policymakers being boxed out of the decision making process so it wasn't just that president trump decided to delegate Ukraine to an outside adviser in Giuliani doc Giuliani was working within a normal process Giuliani was working outside of the normal process against US foreign policy and leaving out career officials from the process and by the way occurs behind closed doors after his opening statement which public later a split among Republicans with one top ally the president embracing even his most controversial statements and another who happens Senate majority leader hanging out."