Kt Studios, Courtney Armstrong, Ducker discussed on The Piketon Massacre


Episode crime and media. I'm courtney armstrong television producer at kt studios with jeff. Shane and stephanie lie. Ducker ceo and founder of kt studios and producer of the pike and massacre over. The course of the last decade. True crime has exploded as the go-to genre across media platforms and telling the story of the rodent family in their murders. We've often asked ourselves. Why are we as creators of the series so interested in the story. And why are you the listener so fascinated by it so we gathered a group of experts to explore these questions and ask ourselves. Is it a crime to love true crime. The true crime podcast audiences seventy five percent women. That's kind of an astounding stat right. Well i think as we are more socialized to know that the world could be dangerous in us a place. That's dr heidi horsely. She's a psychologist specializing in grief. Counseling and his co founder of the open to hope foundation or constantly looking at our bass being very aware of our surroundings nothing in allies at night. you know. we're very very aware that we be victim us. So i think that and i also think women are very social we. We're very connected. One understand other people. I think we tend to be very people oriented earned maybe in family oriented. Nothing arch but often slim our remorse. And maybe that harbors. Well like protecting our pack. It's an interesting thing. Because i hadn't realized the true crime audience was quite as skewed towards women as it is and i'm certainly a watcher also and i think it allows us to feel to. You know we see something that's like love based or brings us laugh films. Get to make us feel things that maybe we don't necessarily want to feel jeff as a man. What do you think about that. It's definitely a different experience. Being a man like i don't have to look over my shoulder in the same way. After a certain age. I think for most men. You're not prone to being a victim. And i can walk through a parking lot without fear which i think is a privilege that i have not fully appreciate until working with courtney and stuff on crime projects so being aware of that privilege i think is has been eye opening and i think putting myself in your shoes in listening to a podcast i would like. Oh yeah that's a red flag. You could see how a toxic relationship between jake and hannah or however you describe it. What can you learn from that. It's way easy to spot things in other people's lives in our own to you know so there is a real tool from that we can look at anybody and say oh. I see the red flag bear and is that bad from psychological even for listeners. Who are listening to this driving on their way to work or you know doing whatever it is we do when we hear a podcast is it because we are desperate to hear other people's bad stuff because our lives feel better. I don't think so. I think it's people are desperate. Hear really extreme tales because it helps us categorize things in our own life and maybe look out for things differently because when you're in the thick of it it's really hard to see out of trouble. Sometimes we don't spotted as cleanly in our own lives journalists. Chris graves covered the road. Murders for the cincinnati inquirer. She was in pike county just days after the roads were murdered. Twenty sixteen her reporting was important and giving a voice to the victims families in the early days of the investigation. Chris gave us her frank assessment on the rise and true crime content. You know this will sound Sound really really basic. But i think you you start from a place. If this were me how would i want to be treated. We have to rise above the tiny story that just hurts people. You know the showing up in jamming the microphone in somebody's face. And how do you feel. And i mean if i were going to be completely candid. I think constantly thinking you know is it information or is it entertainment. We have to figure out a way to move beyond that salacious entertainment. Whatever there are fascinating deep stories to be told and lord only knows. This story has so many elements of storytelling. But there's a way in which you can tell it with. I hope i hope. Without taking advantage of people you know we did go to pike county and you know to your point knocked on doors without a microphone without a camera for all the obvious reasons and it is. It's it's hard on the heart. We do try to be thoughtful knowing that that would be really difficult if it were my door that somebody was knocking on. But i don't know. I don't know what the answer is there. If nobody hears it then also we're not doing our job either new say entertainment. We have a standoff in that. Because i don't really see it as entertainment. I also think bigness is sometimes. We're in the emotion business right. It's almost like a shout from the rooftop of here. This see this this happened. This is a time stamp on something. And what's the balance of that. How do you balance being respectful of people's lives and also people want to know every detail of the story. How do you balance that in terms of making it respectful to what happened but also allowing people to consume it. And take that in. Yeah that's a good question. i think you try to. You know while using finding fact. I think you also tried to approach people with compassion and empathy. Focus on the person's life. You know be accurate. There's nothing worse than getting stuff wrong especially with someone who doesn't have a voice anymore. Avoid gory details. Just because the ori do they need to see that. will it. cause unnecessary harm to people. Will i re victimize people but the gory details to some extent is what differentiates one thing from another in the spirit of making sure that people are being emotionally charged and mad as hell. Is that wrong. It is extraordinarily a gory case. There were three children. Left alive live at the scene and very hideous circumstances. Imagine a four day old being in her mother's arms while she's shot two times in the face right. We know that is disgusting. But some of this is shocking. And if you don't feel shock then you don't hear the story. How much is too much in terms of sharing an over sharing the gory. So i think my point in saying that is being careful that we don't just report for lurid curiosity. Some of that is also making sure that. Hold the power in the interview and again. I'm not talking about politicians but those who get thrust into this horror through no fault of their own and they deserve that power and that voice. And i see myself just sort of as a conduit you know i'm an ear and macondo at and i tried to share a story hopefully in an empathetic compassionate way But.

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