Lewis effectively defending the Christian faith. That's right. Anyway, Tolkien said, do you know Jack Lewis is the only friend I've ever had who's written more since he died than before. And I said, I know exactly what you mean. And exactly the same, what happened to you? He said, no it won't. No, it won't, because I don't have that much material and Christopher won't know what to do. Wow, was he wrong? He was stupendously wrong about that. Had the silmarillion been published before his death. He really wore it a lot about that and I heard him. I've got to get finished. He really worried about that. But I think he simply was just to owe to get up the manuscripts and try to do it. But he loved Lewis very much. And I think he would have been appalled by what others said about this getting cold. In fact, his son from the John Tolkien told me that he took his father up back to Louis to St. Louis right before Louis time, a number number of businesses he paid up after the kills to see him. And I said, to John talking, do you know what they talked about? He said, I remember they talked about malaria and whether trees ever die. Mallory's more Darth than that seems just what you'd imagine they were talking about on whether trees ever died. Not in their books, they don't. Remind those of us who don't know who Arthur greeves was because you've mentioned him a number of times. This is Lewis boyhood friend, they met when they were just teenagers. They lived across the road from one another. They built up not only friendship, but a correspondence, which is one of the longest of all Lewis correspondents. It was a great pleasure at that time to have somebody who is absolutely on your wavelength that you can correspond with. Did he become Arthur greaves a Christian? He wants to Christian already. He was. Well, this brings me to when you mention when we mentioned Tolkien, it's not been told often enough. But what happened, Lewis had become somehow a reluctant believer in God, but not a believer in Jesus. Not a Christian by any means. But a believer in some kind of God. And it was Tolkien specifically who on Addison's walk behind maudlin college right here who really led Lewis. Can you tell us a bit about that? Yes, you see, Lewis had become a fierce, but then something like a year or more later. One of the things that was holding him back from many years was something that happened when he was really about ten years old. When he was reading the classics for the first time, he noticed that the editors of the classics like and then assume that they assume that beliefs of these ancient Greeks were wrong, but that Christianity was right. Well, Lewis himself love the old miss Moore than he, like Christianity. And so he concluded Christianity is just happens to be the mythology that we've been brought up in. But other mythologists are in one way more interesting, like the Norse mythology he thought more interesting than Christianity. So it was still in the belief that it was a mythology that that he believed that night that Tolkien and Hugo Dyson came to. Or what they mean to show him was, yes, it is a mythology like the others, but the others incomplete. They never lead anywhere. But the thing that makes this less beautiful than the other north mythology Greek mythology and all that is it's true. This is a case of myth becoming fact. And his son is sober. It was a myth come true. And because it is truth, it come up shine the way most mythology does or great mythology with gods and giants that all of this wonderful things. And but then it's true. And so it offers hope for the world, this is a special Oxford edition of the Eric metaxas show. There is more of this conversation with professor Walter hooper coming up next. Take care of this take care of him together together. Together with the overturn of roe V wade lots of companies are coming out saying they'll pay for employee abortion travel and expenses. Most of you have heard about some of these companies you've decided to stop shopping or doing business there, but did you know that you most likely own stock in those companies through your four-o-one-ks, IRAs, and other investment accounts..