John Walker, Jan Walker, Steve Rogers discussed on Capes and Lunatics

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You. They have no evidence code. Anyone true. 'cause i mean what trick people. It wasn't on camera. While i was gonna say i mean the only people really saw talking about it were on the. She's dead in rhody. So rudy keeps his mouth shut. Yeah i guess you're right and again what what happened with jan walker. Was it happened on camera. It happened on camera on a bad day with a bad situation and that is not a good thing. 'cause obviously cops have to be held to a much higher standard and you're and you're like. He was held accountable. What happened basically. He lost his job in his pension. That's it that is actually a lot when you don't have any other viable skills. But i mean you kill a human being. I mean not something job at your money. That is what happened to that is what normally happens to capture. Kill people so to be fair. No he was no way justice. Not saying he wasn't no way justice but you say there was not an adjudication of his case in fact there actually wasn't adjudication of escape. There was no court martial. He was literally just stripped of his rank and privileges by a extra judicial body. I'm not saying it's not realistic. It is just saying yeah. It's no but what i'm saying. So and so and to give you a secondary aspect of it he still completely open to civil litigation and could be held accountable in the world so they are actually are crimes that he could be held accountable for in later stories. Yeah but i can't. I don't know if that flag smasher had any family in to most of these countries are like. Oh yeah these people were terrorists. I don't think they're going to be well. Yeah that's that's the that's the that's the other aspect of it because of who he killed regardless of the that's the thing if you if you shot osama bin laden in times square as he begged for his life. Would you necessarily be considered a pariah in society. Oh people say yeah you know that guy was terrorist and he killed a bunch of people you know and that is that is the that is the thinking that leads down the pastor hydra cap and quite frankly because you wanna put people on a pedestal. Just if you wanna put steve rogers on a pedestal and say he couldn't make a mistake about working with john walker but then again we know in the comics john walker is a person who has had bad day still tries to be a hero. I'm not saying it's the right or wrong decision to work on walker. All i'm saying is i just. Don't see steve rogers doing it. I mean maybe it's because he's i mean he's a lot more to put steve on a pedestal. I'm just saying i think just the way steve. Thanks because maybe just because he was born in the nineteen twenties he would seize this john john walker someone maybe unsavory just well. No actually i think it would seem as again this this idea that everything about john walker on paper. It looks good. I think he's got. He's a very close african american friend. He's married a woman of color. He is definitely a person who is solid and dependable on every level. He has a lot of ptsd that he is not doing with. I said that is problematic before the killing okay. I might have given you that. But after john walker does that. I think steve's now especially it's on cameras you can watch him do this. It's like now. Yeah but at the same time again. Like i said i. Hey hey so you know. Bucky lot of people to on camera. One wants be well. He was mind controlled by the winter soldier but also at that moment. He hopped up on super soldiers here. So is there more to that story as well. Yeah when you when you come into that question. What would what we. What would steve rogers due at the end of the day. What i would say is. Rogers would give john walker. So you're saying bucky by there's no extenuating circumstances with bucky. Because he was mind controlled he was. There are extenuating circumstances with bucky. Because mind control okay. I'm saying that that same idea of extenuating circumstances can be applied to john walker in that moment to john. I'm not say john walk control though. Well he's super soldier serum super soldiers sentiment that which he took himself though enforce that super soldier ceremony buggies mind. Control was forced on him. No one forced joined the put that ceremony in his blood. Yeah but also hey if it. Hey hey hey phil phil cap work with scarlet witch your but. I don't think he knew that. No no cap worked with scarlet. Witch cap looked at scarlet. Which said i understand. You been through a lot and i am willing to give you a second chance. I understand. you almost killed the entire population of i also understand. You killed a lot of people in my control my friends and caused all the certain destruction. I'm willing to look back past that. Because i understand you had a bad day but man to be there. We don't know about cavs bad. What did she kill voltron. Who'd she killing voltron. Yeah you're saying he gave. Who did she kill. I don't know how many people did hope to when he was mind controlled how many i mean. Hey we just saw invincible. My friend those those wars are not. And hey guess how. Many people died in segovia a guarantee. It's at least three. You can't blame coby on her. That was altron. She helped old trump the entire time. She was a part of that up until the very end. She is actively apart voltron plan until she finds out what it is sure but the fact of the matter is is that she end up until that point she is more than happy to see all the avengers. I definitely coney start condi- she is not pulling her punches at any point in that story up until she was. Oh i don't wanna kill everybody So no cap is willing to overlook people's bad days so like i said cap giving john walker chance makes absolute perfect sense in my mind for steve. Rogers here's another. Tell you freaking. Sam wilson give john walker a second chance when workers shows him and bucky are fighting alongside him working together because they know this guy understands what he's here to do. He knows he made a mistake. He's willing to redeem himself. They made a sense. Now that makes perfect sense. Actually because it doesn't make sense you because you want everyone.

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