The Art Newspaper, Middle East, Iraq discussed on The Art Newspaper Weekly

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Living with Leonardo is out now and published by tens in Hudson. Now, the three hundred addition of the newspaper is just out the paper was first published in nineteen ninety, and it seemed enormous changes in the world. Since then I spoke to its founding editor now chair of the art newspaper and his cokes, and it's the three hundred addition of the newspaper. Can you describe why you wanted to start the art newspaper in the first place? I wanted to start it because at the time I was the editor in chief of Apollo magazine. I realize it there wasn't such a thing as a general reader for bits of art history, and also that art history like the sciences at fragmented into different specializations Odin astroid as print sales, but even listen sewn. And suddenly this newspaper in Thailand arrived on my desk, your knowledge elastic, which had been founded in nineteen eighty three by an Italian called on Monday and. I saw new soul. This incredible wave putting the art world together what he had done. He said, what is this? It's all art as art has happening in the world as embraces. Archaeology embraces the market. Owed art, new artists, not about any single kind of autism. The visual arts and things relating to the culture pertaining to visualize including architecture Asami said, as they happen in the world and as the world affects them. So. I ended up being asked to launch the art newspaper on the model of the analogy, lasted with different kinds of stories in it. So what was the art world like in nineteen ninety? It was much smaller because the market hadn't extended it to the general public. In the same way, there was more numbers of people getting to the museum's old art. In other words, art before nineteen hundred played a much much bigger role. Contemporary was rather specialized. That's right. So would you say that to a certain extent, the art world is now I'm recognisable from the days when you started the newspaper, or is it just what it was but expanded exponentially? No, the art world has concertinaed forward as being a huge loss of knowledge and interest in art before nine hundred in fact refers about should gyros lamenting. There's a great lack of knowledge of art before nineteen forty five. It's partly the way in which history is being taught or not taught. It's partly because the huge inferences the market has made the contemporary see much sexier, and I think we've genuinely lived through a change of of EPO. For example, in nineteen Ninety-one, I started French furniture stills. Each two. Different phone show is still what which people spot live with. Well, that isn't the case anymore. Unless you have a very, very grand piece of French world furnish yourself, a lot of money. You know, perfectly decent eighteenth century French armchairs are really rather treat now. So one of the big factors in that is this avalanche of money that's coming into the art world from lots of different sources in a way, one of the great idiosyncratic elements of the newspaper is very following the money in and finding out more about that money, isn't it? So so in a sense you've been tracking those developments very carefully over those twenty eight years. I was very important to look at the market, but without influencing the rest of what we wrote about there was I say, quite sleazy art market writing at the time is still on a bit with magazines where feature revision by by about artists who are being being advertised in the same magazine that was very important to separate. But of course, y'all mart is incredibly important. It's one of the main movers. It's one of the reasons why things surface. I'm fascinated by having surface on the market was told, journalists newsies, what's happening, what you see. But I think it's not coincidental that we have had the period of Neo liberalism, which has generated huge quantities of money cash that does not equate to actual real tangible wells. And this money has been rushing around trying to find places to put itself, and we've had property boom. An art has become one of those things in which people are speculating. Now. Until the late nineteen. Ninety S there was no data on contemporary art, really contemporary art being sold at auction because it wasn't being sold at auction moment the auction started. Then you saw get prices and you could start having art indexes onto art indexes. You can stop pretending that you're dealing with a market that is like the market for showers. Would you say that the interest in contemporary art is damaging the scholarship of work before nine hundred forty five as the professor suggested, I think it's a lot of energy out of earlier research because. God quantities of money a useful up to a point, but then they begin to sort of flatten out the light on the shade. I didn't know how to put it. Exactly. It doesn't seem so sexy to go somewhere. Looking at art isn't worth a very large sum of money. So for example, perfectly decent, Hungarian artists, nobody studies them outside Hungary because there's basically no market for them. This is always been slightly the case study artists from countries youth or small countries far away, but but I think that he's dump and down curiosity. It has certainly created a crisis in universities where every all all people applying to study liter are not the only around how has the yacht newspapers reporting being affected by global events was such as the go. I go on the second Gulf war, the events of September. Eleventh. For instance, I was very struck because shortly after we started out newspaper, we had the first Gulf war. And one of the American general's said that if need be, they would bomb Iraq until it was like. Box baby powder, and I thought you can't do that. This is this is this is. Cradle of our civilization, uh, Suma and so on. So we went to ask the Pentagon with the reserve is fact where they'd given instructions and we'd they hadn't and this striking because in the second World War, the troops were given very clear instructions about which were the monuments in which places had to be avoided on. So we reported on that, and I wrote a headline which was Armageddon over Eden because the garden of Eden was sought to be in southern Mesopotamia. Other words, southern Iraq. Then September eleven's, terrible, terrible moment and bought something that suddenly kindle people's interest in this world and the Middle East, and quite a lot of the interest in the Middle East derives from that, and I suppose over the Middle East. Since then has been sort of on the one hand catalogue of tragedies of lost heritage. On the other hand, this burgeoning market burgeoning museums of burgeoning world of art in the Middle East, isn't it? Scene is the emphasis in the Middle East moved from what I call the old, our countries, Egypt, Iraq Syria, as they have gone down one by one as it were and the rise of Gulf with all its wells and it's increased fisticuffs. It's desire to have museums Louvre project, you know, the art fairs, art auctions, which being successful sanctions against Iran against Iran, which means that Iranian buys have been been buying sued by because the has not been part of the sanction system. So you have to look at the art market Innova Broadway. Another fascinating phenomenon of Saudi Arabia and the young crown prince Mohammad bin Silom. Deliberately putting four the art world in order to encourage the young young young population, and because it is actually a very good rather rather hip sort of conceptual art weather has developed quite spontaneously there through contact with the internet. And now he's going to have a lot of Royal patronage and we hope that that doesn't mess it up the to what extent would you say the newspaper is a journal of record, and to what extent would you say it's campaigning newspaper? Well, I find a gel record or something where the news in it is reliable news can be given that it's has short time. I don't think we ate, we can aim to cover absolutely everything. The. We have tried to make it very, very, very full of news. But that role is relatively on my way the website which is continual flow of news. Sometimes I'm rich, the diary of news. So I think that the paper will like most people's become more. A place where you where you reflect on things that have happened indeed. But one of the things that's striking about the newspaper is that the newspapers still very much thriving part of what we do in a world where, for instance, with national newspapers in Britain, you can just see them dwindling in terms of their importance. Do you see that continuing in the future or do you see the the newspaper may pass follow the same fate as I don't think it will because I think being monthly people are happier too. To have an actual product which is solid in the hands. You can't. You can't consult the guardian Muncie news. It would. You'd never wet, never know where it was going to stop. At least when you have a newspaper or your book, you know this page one and as page this last page, you know what the editors have decided that you, they think, you know, what do you see is the sort of continue matters of concern within the art world. I think the people only just not beating to realize the fact that work of art is relatively recent paps. Theoretically thirty years doesn't guarantee that it's Centric on the country. Quite lot of we start. He's action credibly, easy to fake. And so the question of fakes he's become key that could undermine the speculative market drastic. There's a second point, which is a lot of contemporary art is incredibly poorly made because factor has not been part of the philosophy and so once massive, massive conservation problems, for example, of graphic works already fading these limitations in you should not be able to print anymore. And then there is a greater underlying problem which derives precisely from this huge influx of money into the world which may take some of the glory of. There's been huge respect for for over one hundred years. It's been considered a kind of God sub substitute. But if it becomes too close to mammon, then people may begin to feel at a slight aversion. You already have some rather enlightened donors who have been in the contemporary art world, like Agnes Gund, sending their works of art in. Or to put their money into. Other projects such as helping defend young black blacks, accused and not being well defended in the courts. I think this Mabel become a tendency now is maybe a good thing for the world, but it which is going to be great for the world. Now you've, you've got addition, three hundred, but you are now going to retire. Can you tell us what you're going to do. I. Somewhat reduce completely different tell you buddy, but I would like to do some very long form journalism, for example, the effects of seed aval rise on the hold of northeast. It's not just Venice, the scientists know what's going to happen, but Donna how to explain it. And most journalists don't have the time to go into in great depths, but I think that there are some topics like that that really need to be tackled, and thank you very much. Thank you for us. 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