FBI, President Trump, Andrew Mccabe discussed on Washington Today
Eight pm on C span one Matt gaetz who is an ally. President Trump Republican from Florida with the following tweet. Hey, Michael, Cohen, dear. Wife and father-in-law know about your girlfriend's. Maybe tonight would be a good time for that chat. I wonder if she'll remain faithful when you're in prison, she's about to learn a lot Matt gaetz who is a close friend of the president. We should point out that Michael Cohen originally postponed part of his testimony because of threats against his family former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton says it's time for congress to connect the dots in the Russia investigation. During an interview with Tina Brown on her podcast, the two thousand sixteen democrat candidate won the popular vote losing the electoral college to President Trump says it's up to congress to educate the American people on what really happened. There is so much information out there that maybe we'll be all connected up in a final set of indictments and or a report, but there is enough grounds in what has already been made public for the government for congress in particular. To be doing more with it. And I'm pleased that under speaker Pelosi. The Democrats are beginning to hold hearings and try to connect some of these dots. You might know Tina that many years ago, I was on the impeachment inquiry staff for the house of representatives investigating Nixon and the public hearings that were held by the Watergate special committee were essential in helping to educate the public about what all this legal stuff meant. What is obstruction of Justice mean, for example? And we haven't had that opportunity. Many of the hearings and witnesses have been behind closed doors in the. Investigations so far. There hasn't really been the kind of solemn somber laying a facts and information before the public and the press that should happen in our democracy. Hillary Clinton onto podcast TVD with Tina Brown. And you're listening to Washington today on C span radio. The new bestselling book is titled the threat how the FBI protects America in the age of terror and Trump author Andrew McCabe is here in our studios. Thanks very much for stopping by. I want to begin with one of the headlines that came from your sixty minutes interview in which you talked about the deputy rod Rosenstein, wearing a wire discussing the possibility of invoking the twenty fifth amendment. Can you recall that ever happening under any other circumstances? No, certainly not Steve it's struck me at the time is just a remarkable thing to say, that's why I remembered it, that's why memorialize it. But neither neither mentioned where things that we. Acted upon. So neither are actually even included in the book. I decided that I thought that including them would be kind of inflammatory distract people from the bigger story. We were trying to tell but for those who studied the constitution and our democracy. What's the lesson? What's the takeaway? You know, I don't know that there's much of a lesson in in mister Rosenstein, mention of thinking about the twenty fifth of twenty fifth amendment, which is really the way that it came up. I think it's more of an indicator of the unbelievable stress and the somewhat kind of. Chaotic times that we were operating in these were the highest levels of the Justice department, and the FBI trying to navigate a totally novel and challenging situation under very very stressful circumstances, so I think it's more than indication of that and less a sign of certainly not a sign of anything that actually took place. You are in the middle of the book tour. We'll talk about the C span. Two book TV interview in just a moment. But what's it been like for you? It's been it's been amazing. I've gotten to meet so many people it's been a bit exhausting. I'll confess that. But it's just I'm just glad to finally be out and be able to tell tell my story to be able to talk about the FBI talk about the great work that the men and women of the FBI do every single day. Certainly there's a lot of it far beyond the scope of the Russia investigation, which is what many people like to hear about. But I've tried to tell the story of not only the work we do. But how we do it how we work how we make decisions that we do and the principals and kind of legal authority that those decisions are made upon rather than the kind of politics and personal preference. Things that people think and obviously you don't get a do over in life. But in hindsight, do you think in the summer of two thousand sixteen the fall of two thousand sixteen the director of the FBI James Komi should have done anything differently with regard to Hillary Clinton, the emails and the Anthony Weiner information. Well, Steve I spent a lot of time thinking about that. And I try to address those issues very honestly in the book, our decision in July to announce the results of the Clinton Email case is one that I think we probably should have thought differently about I certainly have the benefit of hindsight looking back on those things. And I think we underestimated the incredibly fraught political nature of the environment that we were releasing that conclusion into I think we overestimated Jim's ability to convince people as for the decision in the end of October to notify congress about the emails on Anthony Weiner is computer that was something that I did not agree with at the time that was Jim's decision, and he made it when you came across those emails in Anthony weiner's laptop. What was the reaction inside the department? It wasn't nearly as. It wasn't nearly as impactful as you would think I mean, the fact is that we had come across batches of emails on different machines and different servers all through the course of the investigation, and in the vast majority of those circumstances when we've come across what we thought might be a bundle of new information when we'd run it through our systems and compare it to the information we already had we would discover that. No. In fact, it was duplicates or copy copies of emails and things that we already had. That's of course, what ultimately happened with the material on the Weiner laptop. And I think many of us suspected that. That would be the case yearbook is now number one on Amazon. Did you expect this quickly? I did not I did not this is my first time doing this. It's my first book the whole experience have been kind of head-spinning, but it's been a busy but satisfying week. What did you learn about yourself in writing this book a great question? You know, the the entire. Process of writing the book really enabled me to step back. Kind of step out of the the the sort of immediate insult of having been fired and look at the expanse of my career in a more holistic way and try to derive some some themes and importance from the work that I've done from the day. I started in one thousand nine hundred eighty six until the day, I left so it was it was a very almost kind of cathartic thing to do in tumultuous time. Let me get your reaction to something that the president said recently about you, whether Andrew McCabe has made a fool out of himself over the last couple of days, and he really looks to me like sort of a poor man's J. Edgar Hoover as a I think is a disaster. And what he was trying to do is terrible. And he was caught. I'm very proud to say we call him. So we'll see what happens. But he he is a disgraced man he was terminated. Not by me. He was terminated by others. The report was a disaster disaster from his standpoint, anybody reading the report would say how could a man like this. Be involved with the FBI the FBI has some of the greatest people some of the finest people you'll ever meet. But this man is a complete disaster. Thank you very much. Thank you. Andrew mccabe. You've heard that before. But your reaction. Sure. So. You know, my reaction at this point, Steve is is one of just kind of pity. It's it's ridiculous. That the president continues to lie about me something he started in October of twenty sixteen. He continues to this date. And I understand it. You know, the president calls anyone who stands up, and and tells the truth about him about things they've they've seen and heard and decisions they've made. He he he runs right to discrediting. Everyone's credibility and calling everyone liar. So I'm not surprised by it. Steve. I don't know what he means by that reference today or your Hoover bit of it's not always clear what the president's saying. And I think this is one of those cases, I will tell you. I don't feel. I don't have any misgivings about standing up and telling the truth and sharing a story with the American people that I think is important to their understanding of events that clearly are very meaningful to a lot of folks. No matter what side of the political spectrum you happen to be on. I don't know that there's been an opportunity to really hear from anyone who was involved in those decisions. So having unique perspective to offer. And that's what I've done with the book as chronicled in the threatened, by the way, your interview on C span two's afterwards program airs this Saturday eleven AM eastern time again, ten PM eastern time on C span two's book TV after the tours over what's next for Andrew McCabe. Well, let's see I've I've enjoyed participating in this kind of national conversation about how we feel about the FBI and about the investigative work. They do I think that people would really benefit from knowing more about the agency that that occupies such an incredible position in American life. And in the American consciousness, but one that I would argue most people don't really understand how we work on a day-to-day basis. I think if I can continue kind of getting that word out, I think people would be less likely to fall for the baseless lies that here. In the media every day about FBI corruption and plotting coups and the rest of that nonsense the threat how the FBI protects America in the age of terror and Trump author Andrew McCabe. Thank you for being with us. Thanks, dave..