Cheryl Kirshenbaum, Michigan, Aarp Michigan discussed on Bill Cunningham
Gerry Brisson, Dr Phil Knight here, and our guests, Cheryl Kirshenbaum, and okay. So quite the big topic that you teed up a few minutes ago. I mean, okay, we we've talked about everything else on this show. So let's do world hunger or food production. Anyway, at least, or at least how are we gonna feed everyone who's being born and we're living longer. I mean, maybe that's the cookies on the right shelf. Well, that's true. And by the way, there is a study out that's just released here in Michigan. And that part of that study said this, and it's disrupting disparities at our partners at over at AARP Michigan. And they said the person who's going to live one hundred and fifty years has already been born. Talk about living longer. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But the truth is, none of us will know if that is true right by the time. By the time. It's true or not. And half of us won't have the habits to propel us. That's a different issue. Well, I think this is such an important part of the conversation because up until now yes, there are all kinds of reasons that people don't have enough to eat, but it's primarily distributional shortcomings and income inequality different social situations. We have enough food for everyone. It doesn't reach everyone. But in the next twenty thirty years, that's not necessarily going to be the case because by twenty fifty between nine billion and ten billion people are going to be on this planet, and we have less land available climate change is making that happen, even more. So we're trying to be more conservative with our resources. We have to be more efficient, and yet there are more people. We know things are going to be warmer hotter in some places. We'll see more flooding. We'll see more severe storms all of those things impact and influence agriculture. And food available. So what can we do? And there are real things we can do. So there are there are things that kind of our would be their own whole policy discussions. Conditioned to this like conversation kind of covering all of it. There are things like figuring out ways to produce food using less input. So less energy less water. We have some of those technologies available. We can help producers. Farmers adopt adapt to those technologies and and save more. But the big piece the thing that I talk about a lot. I know I talked about it with those of you the last time you had me on is reducing our food waste 'cause we waste about half of the food week grow in this country, which is alarming considering how many children I mean? I think you're in Michigan. It's one out of five children are living in a food insecure situation that is crazy because that's who could be available. We're obviously not going to be able to conserve everything that we throw away, but we can do it kind of across scowls, right? We can we can help farmers reduce what they're losing out in the field. We can be more efficient with getting that food to the market. We can be better about sell-by dates and use by dates, but are often completely arbitrary and caused supermarkets to just toss a lot of otherwise wonderful perfectly fine food away. There's lots of places in that process where I think we can make great gains in terms of food availability. Plus, if we waste less food again, that's gonna mean, we wastewater that's gonna mean, we waste less energy that's going to be better for the planet as well because we're producing fewer carbon emissions. So I think that's what I'd like to see us tackle, politically as a nation and internationally. I how do you think people would respond to ideas, like you're going to have to separate your food waste garbage? And you're going to get charged for it. Well, nobody likes being charged for something. But I think on the flip side of that. We can also talk about the economic losses from food waste and change that conversation as well. Right. I mean by being more efficient in a in a big picture way. We could be saving money, which would then trickle down to consumers through prices. It is it is an interesting challenge. But I do think, you know, one of the things that I can't remember who said this to me. But they said, you know, it's always easy to look back on prior generations and point out the things that they did wrong. The hard thing is to look at yourself and say, what is the next generation going to say I did wrong that all the time. I do I look at my kids. And I'm like, oh, what am I leaving behind for these guys? So are the history books going to say about us that we neglected to educate our children because we didn't nourish them while we threw away half of all the food. We bought is that what the history books are going to say about us. Not a great legacy. Well, it probably depends who writes them, right? That's an excellent point. I think we have we are continuing to make some pretty bad policy choices in terms of our long-term sustainability when it comes for what the world is going to look like that our children inherit that our grandchildren. See, but on the flip side of that. There are some really exciting emerging opportunities technologies people out there trying to make a very concrete difference. And I think we're gonna see some of that too. So I'm hoping when we look back. Let's say, yeah. This is a I mean, an example, I'll give this pulling out of the Paris climate accord, probably not the best thing for international stability in terms of the health of the planet and the health of the people on that planet, but I think long term we might just be okay. Because I see so many great people out there in that space trying to do their best. There was just a report that came out in the last couple of days about how we're producing more CO two carbon emissions than ever before at such a high rate. It's kind of beyond turning back, and that's often being described in this doomsday sense right in that. Oh my gosh. We miss the boat. We shouldn't be talking about the fact that we miss the boat. We should be talking about. All right. The world is changing the world's always been changing. But what can we do to make it as a habitable and as pleasant here for as many people and other animals as possible. And and there's so much that we could still do. And as a matter of fact, you just tweeted about that about an hour ago. Oh my goodness. Yes. That's why it's on my mind. But, but I think that's a really, you know, we always hear these people. Bemoaning? The fact that gosh, you know, the world is coming to an end the world isn't coming to an end. But the way it looks has everything to do with the choices that we make right now. Right. And you know, I we sometimes I've quoted President Obama whose quoting president Kennedy. And that is simply that we are the solution. We've been waiting on. We don't need anybody else to come along and sobbed this. We have the ability to do that ourselves with the choices that we make. So why not us why not now? And I do truly truly believe that the vast majority of us want to see people said want to see people educated want to see democracy. Grow wanna see literacy increase wanna see these things. And these are trends that in many cases were already on. And we just need to make sure that we have the policies to continue to support those things. And and that of course is especially relevant to the conversation. We're having today about the future of food, and my experience of people in talking to lots of different people about this quite often is their highest level of frustration is not knowing that what they're doing makes a difference. That is so important. It's important to me. I don't wanna be doing stuff that doesn't make a difference. And so this evidence based policy program or way of thinking or way of imagining how you change the world, I think hits directly dead center. In the area that people are most frustrated, which is we spent a lot of money on these problems. They're still not solved and people really feel hopeless. And I, and I think your point about now if you only knew how much good is going on in the kinds of things that are happening. It would help you change your thinking about the hopelessness of the situation. And of course, that's why we have this show. Yeah. We want to change the conversation and cheryl's helping us do that important to tell the good stories. Don't always they're not the click bait. They don't always get all of the that the tags, and the whatever the millennials call it the hashtag, I'm so I'm so out of out of the age of knowing all the lingo. But they're not always the things that people click on right? They're not as shocking if they're good stories could they are out there. And I know those people I know they're doing good work, and I'm really encouraged and optimistic about where we're headed to. Well. We put pictures of Dr Phil on all our stuff and people always. Click on that. So we're very. We have our strategy figured out. Yeah. Yeah. Beauty and brains. So well, hey, Cheryl, thanks for being with us again super to tell the story. Thanks for standing up for what's good and best. And I love what you talked about the the intersection of science politics and people that's where we wanna be now. Thanks for being with us. She Cheryl Kirshenbaum. She's the host at our table. She's also the host of serving up science you can find her own Twitter at at Cheryl underscore S. H E R. I L underscore. Thanks for being our guest. And look we just gotta make this kind of a regular thing..