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"Saturday August eighteenth. Twenty eighteen coming up on KCBS the Muller probe gets cooperation from an. Unexpected source. A White House lawyer and governor Jerry Brown commutes the. Sentences of. Nine. State inmates will talk a little bit. About that good evening thank you, so, much, for, joining us here. On KCBS I'm Peter Finch pixie. Clay is at, the, editor's desk we've. Got Caroline burns on sport Frank sports Frank. Munich on traffic KCBS news time is eleven thirty one CBS news update White House counsel Don Mcgann has reportedly cooperated with special. Counsel Robert Muller's probe into Russia's meddling with the twenty sixteen presidential election more. From correspondent Tom Foty on attorney for The attorney lawyer. For White House. Counsel Donald Mcgann confirms. Mcgann did indeed talk at length to Russia investigator Robert Muller steam by President Trump's permission Mr. Trump says not. To again met with, investigators at least, three times totaling at least thirty hours according. To the New York Times, which cites a dozen former and current White House officials on FOX the president's. Attorney Rudy Giuliani they know they don't have a, case there was no collusion there. Was no obstruction. They can't prove it and they are trying to get the president to. Testify and. They are hoping that if they put out a story. Like this. In. Which they suggest that Mcgann is cooperating. Against him but don't say they, don't, say, that, that he'll want. To come in and explain himself. CBS news update I'm, Matt piper KCBS. News time eleven thirty to governor Jerry Brown. Has announced that he has commuted the sentences of nine state prisoners with murder and attempted murder convictions all told The governor said he's pardoned thirty six people he's, also issued thirty one cents sentence commutations for current inmates for more on how clemency and pardons play around. Play out in. The country KCBS. Scotla Terry spoke with. Daniel Kobo who is a constitutional law professor at capital university law school in Columbus Ohio is this unusual for. Governor Brown It's not unusual for governor Brown because he's been using the clemency. Power regularly throughout his terms in office he is really it's perhaps unusual for other, governors some governors are fearful of. Actually, issuing. Pardons or commutations but governor Brown is actually using his authority, and I think you know I haven't looked at, the specifics of every case but it, looks like he's, using it in a reasonable. Considered manner you seem so look at each case closely and he's not just summarily denying everyone which is what some governors do right right. I know that he's brought up in the past is Catholic Jesuits upbringing that as a little bit to do, I suppose with his tendency toward mercy But you know, most of these commutations these pardons. Were, were. Not drug related non violent crime so I don't think this, is too controversial but how how what's the sense, how's it, playing out across the country Well you know I I do think. That the clemency power is less controversial than perhaps, it was you, know a few decades ago there are a couple of reasons for that I. Think that for one thing we're seeing huge, reductions in, violent? Crime so people? Are simply not inspire fall so the Approach. That George Bush used, against Michael, Dukakis you know which is basically Dukakis is leading know murderers out of jail to. The, Willie, Horton yeah I I don't think that is playing quite as powerful. As it, once did, the for example the. Governor of Ohio John casick has commuted the best sentences Probably more individuals than, that Ohio is had since we've. Had, an active, execution chamber going now on the. Other hand, case it doesn't, really, do what governor Brown has been not been issuing very many pardons very many commutations in general much lower percentage then governor. Brown has yeah I suppose political opponents though will, will make a, of this, well I mean, that's always the fear of executives I think because you know I I've, heard it, said that there's no upside to granting a pardon or commutation except that it's the. Governor, doing, their job it's something that every state and the federal constitution as. You know, provided for, and you know if. You look back at why the framers Shutian. Put a, hardened tower in there just because they realize the Justice systems are in perfect and also sometimes exceptions have to be made in. Favor, of mercy or sensible application, of the law so I you know I it's interesting to me because the governor Jerry Brown's father Pat Brown wrote a book, use of the clemency, power, which is just a a, very interesting account of death row. Commutations, called public, private mercy and I it's one. Of the, few accounts of, how, governor's making decisions interesting and I suppose there's not much political risk for governor Brown at this point as he turns out. Right that's true although he was issuing pardons and, commutations earlier in, his term, as well you, know I don't see this as a tie Type thing where Clinton didn't do anything for most. Of his his term, and then at the, end basically. Told the Justice department give. Me every God and I'll look, through them and and and, then he issued a great many pardons and commutations relative to what he had done before that's Daniel Kabul, who is a constitutional law professor at capital university law school in Columbus Ohio new whole finish summer.."