Freddie Gray, Ucla, NPR discussed on Fresh Air



Where where you know, we fall under what is called. You know the Ucla the uniform code of military, justice. And what was is there was a set of laws in set of rules that we had to respond to that. We understood, but we knew that the UCLA Jay was going to be in place for accountability. Yes, but it's a different type of accountability. Because there was an understanding of the job, we were performing and has a different level accountability. Because the jobs were performed the jobs we were asked to do, and so I think that's why you have historical piece that goes into it I. Think one of the other complicating things that we see within this case and we've seen in in in many of the past cases is that we're also asking the officers to? The, and why you have got different level. Up Transparency is you're asking the officers to perform difficult task when it comes to, you're asking officers, oftentimes, police, situations and police, systems and police communities that even they're not responsible for. They then know that part of their job is to maintain a level of of of order when other policies that we have in place that are dealing with issues of everything from economic inequality to health disparities, etc are naturally improper orders as well and so I think that's the history of it, and that's why many of those laws and those fixtures still still exist to this day. How do you think the outcome? Of the Freddie Gray story with none of the six officers. convicted. And three officers weren't even the charges were dropped. How do you think the outcome affected? Subsequent protests including. The protest against George Floyd's death. I think. It impacted it in one way where I think for the protesters who pay attention. They realize that that that the indictment wasn't enough. The arrest was into. Not You know it's interesting because you saw how Freddie Gray's case when state's attorney Moesby made that announcement it did take the temperature down you know significantly in Baltimore where I think there was a sense of hope bad justice will be served. The indictments, and the charges against the you know the initial offer our oxygen shelving in in Minnesota. Knows came relatively quickly. Particularly when you're looking at cases of of improper police conduct usually that takes a much much much longer time. Those were actually some historic Lee fast charges that were placed against him. But I. think that just the indictment isn't enough. Just, the charges aren't enough and I think. One of the lessons learned from Freddie Gray was actually that was put. The protests were happening would continue to happen because that just just the chargers on that one officer. That wasn't going to be enough. Because backed in equate to justice in that way. Let's take a short break here and then we'll talk some more if you're just joining us. My guest is West more his new book five days is about the death of Freddie. Gray Gray's neck was broken in police custody. He died a week later. The book is about the five days of unrest following his funeral. We'll talk more after a break. This is fresh air. With civil unrest, the pandemic and the economic crisis. You want to know what's happening right when you wake up and that's why there is up I. The news you need in about ten minutes from NPR news. Listen every day. Support for NPR comes from whyy..

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