Shaker, Shaker High, Jared discussed on Little Fires Everywhere - The Official Podcast
Little tidbits that I've been allowed to have up until now, and you see that me is running up against the limits of how she's been living her life, too. There's there's definitely. Not Anyone in this story who comes out as sort of the hands, clean, faultless person in the story. It is very much like an inch of the woods. Moment of there's you know. Everyone's pointing their fingers, and saying it's your fault, and the truth is that it's kind of everybody's fault, and that question of good intentions to. It's like you know we're. We're trying so. So hard to be our best selves, and we're also human beings, and of course the problem is that we always think that you know your good intentions are are enough and should field you and do shield many people from the actual consequences of your actions, and this is really a story about a lot of your actions coming home, and those consequences coming back to you. Thank you again to Celeste in for the perspective, and for the book that we are all very obsessed with. So insulated. We have a perfect end to the Shaker heights of the nineteen nineties, but I was curious about what she is now twenty twenty has there been any easing to the many social issues we see play in the series and are the problems that Pearl Warren faces at Shaker high specifically with getting into honors classes as a black student, still relevant at the school today and to answer these questions I was lucky to get in. In touch with tear sergeant, one of the supervisors and a twenty fourteen graduate of the school's Student Group on race, relations or score, which is a group at Shaker high that aims to have prince students educate others in the community about systemic oppression, and to foster healthier race relations in Shaker, joining us on this call, as well are to current Shaker high students and members of score. Students feared Christopher and curly Leeman. Let's take a listen. Hi. My name is tear, sergeant and I am the score adviser. Carly in score core leader I'm jared I'm also core leader amazing so I. I am curious I mean because so much of the story follows the trials and tribulations of high school students in Shaker but almost twenty five years ago, so just from your own personal experience having grown up there. What is that experience like growing in a very planned community? What are the advantages? And then what are the drawbacks if any tear Moreland critic. We used to have our own elementary school because I think it was planned for everybody to be able to walk to their own schools, our neighborhood, we are best to the Mercer neighborhood name so. Essentially Moreland is a all African. American. IMMERSIVE is all white so your bus there to start integrating ambitious elementary school, so I think that'll do like the planned community. Like, I think it is a nice privilege that we don't recognize, but then you could see like how the plan didn't work in like how Mercer students are summer, students are bused to another neighborhoods I. wanted to ask about that because there is a storyline in little fires everywhere the series involving a black student who's transferred into Shaker from another school, and experiences a lot of resistance from the guidance counselor system in getting into the advanced classes. She deserves to be in because of her race. Is that something you've seen reflected in the current Shaker heights system. Yeah I! I think the guidance counselor issue we're. We're talking and that is like. That was shocking. Detail that it's still true. I think a lot of times up. Black families have to still fight for their children to have advanced classes so about a month ago, we had an open discussion about how we say at Shaker that we have open enrollment, but do we truly have open enrollment? Black are still constantly fighting for their kids to be the classes. ADV experienced this, jared. Your mom mentioned that you've experienced that rubs, but then also carly's rather Sam always makes this point about like. H and how yes, we want equity in the district, but sometimes y parents have to understand that they have privilege to and they. They might say that they want equity, but they really don't want equity, because it might seem that bear child is. Getting a resource taken away, so it's really bringing awareness to these types of we could say mentality. That are happening with them. Guidance Counselor, thing not only do I noticed that like people of other races are discouraged discouraged from taking upper level classes, but I also noticed that some classes will have mostly white students. In some cases we'll have mostly black students despite being the same level and that too, and like another way of separating us even though just another reason why we should be more together because we all. All have the same type of ability. The guy's house system should be more aware that win separating the classes currently, if you were able to get through to the powers that be in Shaker and make some changes. What kind of changes do you WANNA? See made in your community. Think Bay thing with Education Gaff is just like with teachers are AP classes auditors are white, basically like finding more diversity in that. Tier so we're hiring a chief diversity officer. which when I was in highschool, I wish we had a sheet diversity officer in administration, so it's really cool to see that you're. GonNa Hassle. One Who is solely focused on these issues and not like other administrators who is to like tackle this this issue while doing their job like this is going to be so it's first priority so I. AM appreciative I think also that we need to address the wealth gaps, and obviously the wealth cout correlates. Correlates directly with rates. If you don't have the resources to have a tutor, you might not have the ability to have the resources that some of your white counterparts have because they have a tutor, or if you don't have the resources to buy expensive across the equipment, like my brother plays across, and he's one of the only African Americans on the Cross, surreally tackling the wealth gap, so just really far families in Shaker to understand what is and truly wanting to have equity for everyone. Thank you so much to all three of you for taking the time to talk with us. I really appreciate it in kill. Thank you. So as you can hear, Shaker is a very complicated place. And I was still trying to wrap my around the INS and outs of what a plan community really is, and what it represents, so I put on my big girl Elena pants, minus all the problematic parts, and I decided to ask the women who are currently leading the charge.