Tena Senator John Mccain, President Trump, Washington Dc discussed on As It Happens from CBC Radio

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Can you give me a sense of of how he looked back at those mistakes or misjudgments and why he was willing to talk about them. Well, I think it's the why he was willing to talk about him. That was so unique. I mean, having spent some time around she policymakers politicians, I'm sure everyone has regrets or makes mistakes. No one's perfect, and people are very imperfect, but usually politicians don't admit any of that publicly, you know, they, they've never changed their mind. They've always been right. There's always a logical explanation for why they do what they did, and that just wasn't McCain style. And when he certainly when he made mistakes by choosing political expediency over principle like the when he came out in favor of the confederate flag in South Carolina in two thousand, and then subsequently gave a speech regretting it. I think it really got to him because he realized that that's not the kind of person he wanted to be. And you know that there's always going to be these these dilemmas where you have political expediency versus something that you feel very strongly about. And sometimes it can be hard to choose. Louder rather than the former. And his record certainly was not perfect on that regard. But he was pretty open about when he thought he had done it and shouldn't have. Today that the flag the White House is back at full staff. We saw President Trump issue only a tweet on mister McCain, Senator McCain's death and avoiding using the word hero. It's getting a lot of attention. The president's lack of response to Senator McCain's passing. What do you take from that? And and can you give us a sense of the the lessons you think that we can take from John McCain and in this particular time in history. Well, it certainly would be gracious of the president to join other democratic leaders like the prime minister of Canada and the president, France, and the prime minister Australian many others and in talking about Senator McCain's service of the country. But at the end of the day, I don't think it would have mattered any to John McCain. You know, there was a big hubbub made when when then candidate Trump talked about Senator McCain and said, he's not a not a war hero or something like that. And when I spoke with Senator McCain, subsequent to that, he didn't give it even a passing thought. I mean, he was worried about the direction of the country on policy and philosophical grounds, not about whether somebody did or didn't say something nice about him. So I don't think he would've mattered. But I think there's a lesson in the reaction that you see to Senator McCain's passing. It's enormously gratifying to see so many people, Republicans, Democrats, and Americans, and foreigners and everyone else express what he meant to them for those of us who worked with them for or new. But I think it's also indicative of broader yearning that enough of the politics. We're ready others throats, where people spend all day bickering and issuing press releases in tweeting and condemn each other. Instead of trying to unify around some basic set of principles about who we are as Americans and who we are as people. And I think that was really the lesson of Senator McCain's life and career. It's a pleasure to talk with you even the sad time. I'm glad you're willing to share your memories with us. Thank you for having me. Okay. Bye-bye. Right on Tena Senator John McCain's foreign policy adviser. We reached him in Washington DC earlier today. John McCain died on Saturday. Just shy of his eighty. Second birthday after this interview, President Trump did issue a statement quote, despite our differences on policy and politics. I respect Senator John McCain service to our country, and in his owner have signed a proclamation to fly the flag of the United States at half staff until the day of his interment unquote..

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