Connie, Melina Abdullah, Connie Rice discussed on All Things Considered

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Have already happened so they are not preventing school shootings. And so it's important to remember that we also have to remember. That police even when we talk about violent crime, a recent study was released that showed that police air on Lee successful and solving less than 2%. Violent crime. Can you imagine if you were only successful at your job less than 2% of the time? That wouldn't be just the end of your career, it would be the end of your entire industry. And so that's what we're saying. We're saying that what actually creates safe communities when you think about even violent crime. Is prevention in the first place building strong communities in the first place. Investing resource is in neighborhoods in the first place so that we can make sure that people's universal needs are met that we think about why people may feel compelled to commit crimes because They don't have enough right? Why people may be committing crimes because they have mental health issues that are unresolved. And so how do we flood our neighborhoods with resource is rather than flooding them with armed folks who see targets on the backs of our people, especially black people. Melina Abdullah, professor at the department of Pan African Studies Account state L. A and organizer co founder of Black Lives Matter. Los Angeles Professor Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you so much for having me. Now let's turn to someone who's been trying to end police brutality and reform the LAPD for decades. Connie Rice is a long time l. A civil rights attorney. She's worked closely with the LAPD to reform Ever since the 1992 Rodney King on rest, the the arrest of Rodney King and the beating and, of course, the unrest after the police officers were acquitted, and those in their trial. Thank you for being with us, Connie. It's good to be with you. What is yesterday's verdict mean to you and the Derrick Show Vin trial? I mean, do you see it as a as a significant step when it comes to the larger issues of police reform and Police accountability. This is accountability, right? It's accountability for one especially egregious murder. I'm really happy that the Floyd family Is happy with this verdict, But the verdict isn't going to change the fundamental physics. Of urban policing and the fundamental Societal failure. To do with the McCone commission told US 55 years ago to do which is Stop the inequities that you see in these videos. And the outrageous stops the outrageous killings of unarmed I'm threatening African Americans. You have to transform the entire mandate of policing. So until the mindset of policing changes from warrior to guardian until the mission changes from search and destroy mass incarceration, suppression containment enforcement. Safety. And healing and health. You're not going to see any change. I mean, year after year. We see this and people say it needs reforming. It needs reforming, and it seems like Has gotten any better. The technology's gotten better. There are cameras now everywhere, which, thankfully during Ella Frazier and some other folks pulled out their cameras and started recording. But it doesn't seem like the police actions have gotten any better. It seems like you know, police are strident as ever. That's because they're doing what we asked him to do. American policing defense directly from slavery. Purpose of American policing is to control and to contain populations of people who are not meant to be in the society. So slavery What do you do on a plantation? You make Sure the slave stay on the plantation. And don't leave the plantation to murder the slave master, right? So policing has always been is Chief Bratton put it beautiful, he said. The corruption of American policing began and 16 19. When the first police made enforced order on the slave ships. So we that order hasn't changed. Our our system of policing is enforcing an order that is dependent on the privileged safety of neighborhoods like mine. That depends on the deprivation and containment of communities like my clients and watch. How do you though? How do you pivot Connie, though from from containment suppression, Right? You know what you described 400. Years ago. T o community healing Deep dd de fund the entire apparatus that the police system What do you like Molina Abdullah? Has advocated whom we just heard. I mean, do you just get rid of it? You hear? Here's Here's my prescription for here's my Yes. You get rid of that mode of policing and you do what Chief Beck did. Chief Beck created a unit called the Community Safety Partnership. An arrest is considered a failure. Those cops They get promoted when the community of the housing project residents and Nickerson Imperial Jordan Downs Ramona Gardens Avalon there those are the cops that do foot beats. They know every kid's name. They get rewarded for diverting kids away from the gang database. They get rewarded for making sure that communities have what they need to be healthy. There's a lots gang task force that sits down Sits down with the community safety officers, and they plan a wraparound safety strategy. They're not going after every kid in baggy pants to fill the gang database like traditional enforcer cops. These are cops who were rewarded for helping the community and power itself to become healthier, But But are they trained to do that? I guess is my question because we're still talking about police officers. I'm still talking about police officers and I will send you the U. C l a PhD evaluation. 14 9 years of data and 14 years of this partnership experiment. And it increases trust. And guess what? It actually reduces violent crime and gang Dominion over libraries, pools, all the public spaces, the parks, the school hallways. They're safer in the CSP sites, then they are in the adjacent neighborhoods because it's a wrap around safety strategy. You're not going after individuals. You're going after the conditions that create the violence of the crime, and you're doing it. Not as cops. You're doing it in partnership with other agencies of government. With the community leaders. With the local institutions, including the schools and the Children's Institute, and in that area, those of the institutions that come to the table it's AH whole of government safety strategy. So we know how to fix this. We've done it. The problem is that there's no will to change the other organs of government. There's no will inside of traditional policing to do this, You know, they call this kind of policing that call it women's policing. When they When I first heard that I said, you're damn right. It's women's policing its strategic. It's smart. It solves the problem without violence. Yeah, it's women's fleecing who calls it that? Who calls it? Women's policing? Is that is that derogatory the traditional cop? Traditional cops who don't do this. Cops who think that it's about racking up arrests, whether they're accurate or not. Let me give you a statistic that was shocking. Kind of encapsulate. What mass incarceration. New Jim Crow. Criminal justice looks like because this is much bigger than policing. Brush Chedi, Harvard economist studying.

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