Listen: Alice Crimmins, Sophie, JOE discussed on Crime Junkie
"The night was very hot and i could not sleep. I went into the living room and was looking out the window getting some air. This was at two a._m. A short while later a man and a woman were walking down the street toward seventy two road the woman was about five feet in back of the man she was holding what appeared to be abundant blankets that were white under her left arm and was holding a child walking with her right hand he now holler to her hurry up and she told him to be quiet or someone will see us at that moment. I closed my window which squeaks and they looked up but did not see me. The man took the white bundle ndo and he heaved it into the back seat of the car. She picked up the little baby and sat with him in the backseat of the car. This woman was thin with dark hair and the man was tall not heavy with dark hair and a large knows this took place under streetlights and i was able to see quite plainly the car turned and from the corner of one fifty third street to seventy two road and out onto casino boulevard. Please forgive me for not signing my name but i am afraid to wish she the best of luck a reader p._s. About an hour later i thought i saw just the man getting into a late model white car so the fine signed this letter which they'd actually gotten a while before but reviewing the case and came across it and police realized they needed this person if they had an eyewitness who could testify alice. This was the person that they saw they knew their case would be open and shut so they used clues from the letter to track down this writer. They knew it had to be somebody who lived lived on an upper floor because the person said like they looked up at me but didn't see me and then based on what streets the person claimed to have seen them going down. They narrowed it down to just just a couple of building and from there they didn't just go door to door. They went actually to the landlords and asked for handwriting samples of all of their potential witnesses says and sure enough. There was only one match a woman named sophie and they went to her door. She opened it and just said i yeah. I knew you'd find me. Oh my gosh and she's an interesting character. Okay her friends say that she loved to exaggerate battery and they had to figure out that like when she told you a story you take which tells you you subtract all the lavish part to figure out what is actually really what you need to know out of the story yeah yeah you subtract a little bit and then you can get to the truth and she had this history of this like whoa is me attitude where she would would get a job but then she quit. The job was immediately because no matter where she was or who she worked with the appreciated her she couldn't work under those conditions so so she just kind of had this like battery mutation. Maybe is the right word but you know. She just wasn't well like she wasn't super popular and she knew alice from the neighborhood. Hud and alice was everything sophie wasn't she was good looking. She was young and maybe a small part of sophie envied her even just disliked her so the the prosecution had sophie and the medical examiner and they were ready to take alice crimmins to trial but not for the murder of both kids just missy cincinnati's cincinnati's case they couldn't even officially determine a cause of death like how are you going to get someone convicted of murder so they just go to case with mris case after alice's arrested arrested and makes bail. Her lawyer waited a few months like waiting for the court to like bring the charges come to trial and after months and months and months since he ends up like asking for a dismissal because he's like listen. You know you got to do something otherwise. If you don't have a case you have to drop the charge. They're violating a right to a speedy trial right eight so nine hundred and sixty seven turns nineteen sixty eight and that's when the judges finally like listen. They're not wrong. He gave the prosecution ultimatum now or never ever boys either you bring this thing to trial or i'm dismissing the case so trial went forward and alice didn't get a fair shake right right from the start her quote jury of her peers were a bunch of middle aged white working class men. I knew you're going to say it was a bunch of dudes. Yeah like at this time. Women could sit on juries but all they had to do was either say that they had to be home with their kids or how a lot of the women got off this jury trial was they told the judge like during voir dear i think she's guilty and i can't even be unbiased in this case and they were dismissed so she had twelve white middle-class men looking at her and all of them looked a lot like the lead investigator on paper and this is the same lead investigator who said that if alice were his wife he would have killed her so go out for her. Oh totally definitely know the prosecution in paraded. A number of people on the stand of course jerry was one of the first ones to get out the investigator. He swears he saw undisturbed. Dust on the bureau proving that the kids couldn't have left that way and they have left like somewhere through the house but it's hard for me to even believe this again. He didn't take pictures of this at all but we're told that like eddie and alex looked for the kids they would have like put their hands on it to look out the window. There was an officer who was smoking when he first got there the patrol roll officer and he would have gone out the window to like dust off or i don't smoke your cigarette and even alice the night before you're putting the screen in and out a couple times should have disrupted it right. That's such a good point yeah so he's swearing to this but there's no proof but of course like everyone is is taking the lead investigator is a police officer like you know sworn by the state so then they bring up the medical examiner to testify his brand new story and he says the kids kids were dead before midnight. There's no way her story about taking them to. The bathroom was real. The last thing they had to have eaten was the manicotti which she says she fed them. The old none of it makes sense and then they put sophie on the stand who now has this even more elaborate story than she even putting her letter. It's filled with all these details and it's not just like a dark haired woman that she saw now she points to alice at the defense table and says that that is the person that she saw that night and she even throws in this detail about overhearing alice talking about her pregnant doc. Which if you remember alice didn't know yes alice. Allah's didn't know that her dog was pregnant. Brandy actually gave birth a couple of days after the kids went missing and it was a huge surprise to everyone so again. It shows you that whatever sophie saw she is adding her own details to this at some point in the trial in-between sessions joe visits alice in her lawyers chambers now. Joe is someone that the police have been pushing on for the entire three years that they were trying to make a case against alice. They always always felt like he knew more. They always felt he was going to be the key to the case but no matter how much they questioned him they even use truth serum on him a couple of times like he never gave give them anything. He always stuck to the same story. He didn't believe she had anything to do with it. He said she never made any kind of weird. Confessions to him never never never never never so during the trial trial in-between sessions jogos to visit alice in her lawyers chambers and he's like caressing her like his his life is falling apart at this point caressing her. He's begging her to marry him. He loves her. No one ever be her and of course she refuses. She's like joe. I'm in the middle of of a murder trial. My kids are murdered by the time time. The last thing i'm thinking about is you. I mean if you remember. He wasn't even like super on her mind. You know three years ago lasting on her mind but she's like. I can't camp mary you and then so in the same breath. He's like well. The more you talk to my wife for me because she's trying to leave me and i don't want her to leave me. Okay yeah and alice is nice enough that she's like. Yes i will talk to your wife rio so he leaves but little. Did she know when joe left her. He was going into flip on her and worked for the prosecution. You see they had a way of making everyone flip eventually. If someone was going to testify the alice was a good mother other they would threaten to expose something about like past affairs or whatever like to keep them from coming forward and joe had his own skeletons back in nineteen sixty five they found out that he used to frequent drag bars which was something that he wasn't ready for people in his life to know back in nineteen sixty five but it was something that police told him would come out out if he didn't say something damning against alice on the stand so the next witness that was called was jo and joe tells the the jury a story that today he hadn't told anyone so far. He said that alice told him things would have been different if he had come over that night like implying saying that she had something to do with it if he would have been there. Maybe it wouldn't have happened and then he says she had actually asked him for forgiveness for killing missy and at that point in the courtroom leaped out of her seat started screaming like fists banging on the table like joseph. How dare you do this. It's not true like how oh you of all people. How could you do this to me now. When it came time for the defense to put on their case for the jury it just seemed to fall flat flat theresa the babysitter testified about that stroller she saw the night before and how the next night it was underneath the window. You know obviously the implication nation is that someone used it to get into the window or to get the kids out but for whatever reason it just did not land with the jury so the defense tries to pull a an eight card and they're going to do something that moves defendants don't do they were gonna put alice on the stand but i think it backfired because for everything she tried to say every record she tried to set straight every emotion she tried to."