Jay Nelson, Rive, Joe Var discussed on Awakening with Jay Nelson Forrest


Welcome to awake at. I'm Jay Nelson forest today wanna talk about deconstructing God. So what I wanna do is. I want since we've decided to rive decided to incorporate. God talk. I've decided to go ahead in. Really take apart the concept of God a little further than just the normal idea of God. So what I did is. I originally thought well, you know, there's many. Subdivisions we can go through on God. But really today I just wanna talk about four four concepts that you can subdivide God into and they are fate personal ideal ultimate concern and reality. So I want to break that down to those four and just kinda delve into each one a little bit so fade is basically the fact that you're not in control of the world. You're not in control of the way things. Go your and the stoicism was really good at saying you need to understand what's actually under your control. And what's not? And I don't think that we're. Usually conscious of just how much is not under our control. Basically just about everything in your life is not under your control, not that you can't have some influence, but it's not as you control only that which you completely direct is under your control, even your body. You know is not completely under your control something as as connected to you as possible your body, you can't control whether your body gets sick or tired or any of the number of things. What color your eyes are? There's a lot of things that you can't control. So our spear of control is actually much smaller than we actually realize. And although we do have influence in in things of the world pretty much everybody in our lives is not under control pretty much every. Thing in the world is not under our control. We might be able to have influence on a person or a thing or Nevada, but is just an influence. We can't control it. And so the the great teaching of stoicism to concentrate on that, which is in your control and stoicism actually defines a refers to God is part of the the fate or the destiny or the fortune of people and to surrender to that. The the thing I disagree with stoicism on is they say that that's that. God that fate that destiny that fortune is alternately for your good, and there's some advantages to be an optimistic. But I think that the universe is indifferent. It doesn't care about you. So. Whatever God, we conceive that God has to be an end in different God. And if it's an indifferent God than it has to be more like fate and fortune and the working out of the laws of nature. So the second. Aspect of God that I'm looking at today. And like you said, we could probably subdivide. Over and over again. But I'm just picking these four is a personal ideal. So think of this when you think of God, and you think of we'll just take the Christian. God says most familiar with people. There's the imitation of Christ that also in the bible talks about being imitators of God. So God is eight ideal. And you can see this pretty clearly if you actually kinda step back and realize in the Old Testament, you see God completely different who's telling people to kill man woman and child and even the baby in the womb? To kill them to actually wipe out entire nations in the New Testament, you have God's who? So loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. So is a complete so much. So that one of the early what was later considered a heretic Marsin believed that they're actually two gods was the Demi Moore JR. And the other was the the father of Jesus. That's how radical if you actually are honest with the the Old Testament. Most people don't read the Old Testament, especially the Pentateuch and the historical accounts. Well, the the history books is what they're called how much history is actually in. There is debatable. But Joshua and books like that the the chronicles kings wanted to you'll see things that just you know, are appalling if you know that your idea of God. But in the New Testament, there's a new cleaned up polish version of God, not perfectly, but you know, much more loving and looking out for the world and. A more benevolent if you will. And so you see mankind has and you see this. If you study if you do any comparative religious studies, you'll see that people create God's their own image. So the Greeks created Zeus in their own image and the rest of the pantheon of gods and the Israelites created Joe VAR, y'all way or elohim in their own image in Islam, you'll see that they're creating Allah in their own image that the Allah is for the air ABS, and you have to follow what they feel as the ideal. So what they do is they they have a personal ideal. They have the ideal man or woman and they project that onto the concept of God. So that's what I'm talking about. When I talk about the personal ideal. The perfect, man. The perfect woman is that projection that they put onto the concept of

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