CIA, William F. Buckley, Bill Buckley discussed on Lee Matthews


Good morning. Oklahoma's first news, NewsRadio one thousand K T. O K am Lee. Mathew Samuel Katz is a New York Times bestselling author under fire and his new book is about the kidnapping and murder of DIA station chief William Buckley, it's called Beirut's rules and Samuel a lot has happened in the Middle East since this has all happened. Take us back to the thirty five years and reset the scene of the book Lebanon had just emerged from a brutal ugly, civil war civil war that was fought before CNN and all this coverage could be seen live with atrocities perpetrated by all sides in June of nineteen eighty-two Israel in Lebanon and takes over Beirut. And in the chaos of trying to solely pro western Christian government in in Lebanon, their assassinations suicide bombings and the Iranians coming off the Khameini revolution are really trying to ignite the Shiite population. To rise up into seize control in the country and in April nineteen Eighty-three on a a much time on a warm spring day when the CIA assets and country, we're all meeting at the embassy. Hezbollah perpetrate suicide truck bombing and kill sixty people including virtually the entire US intelligence community in country and the CIA needed a man who had the courage to keep ability and the craziness if you might say to go into harm's way. And that man was William F. Buckley, William F, Buckley was a silver star recipient Korean and Vietnam. He was a green beret officer. And he was a a paramilitary officer of of untold capabilities and experience. And. Okay. So when I read about this time of history because again, this was before we had CNN giving us updates every quarter hour, why was the CIA there in the first place where they trying to protect American interest were they trying to protect Israeli interest or were they just trying to keep the whole pot from boiling over. Well. This is everywhere. In every US embassy around the world. There is a CIA station. And those stations agents the officers that work out of there. The case officers will answer to a station chief, and that man is responsible for knowing everybody signing everybody making sure that they're not taking undue risks and Bill Buckley was the CIA station chief assigned to rebuild US intelligence capabilities in Lebanon, Lebanon, being a crossroad whereas really Syrian Iranian and Saudi and other interests all converged into one heuristic minefield and Bill. Buckley, specialty was a paramilitary officer. He built counterterrorist forces and part of the Reagan foreign policy was that Lebanon. Lebanon, internal forces should be built up and supported so that they can fight the terrorists by themselves. But of course, Lebanon was so fractured along tribal and security in line that the forces really had no chances for success and the forces from outside Lebanon from Syria and Iran were so strong and the fanaticism so so zealous and so severe that Bill. Buckley was there when when the marine barracks were blown up thirty five years ago this week in fact, and as as dangerous as Lebanon was Bill Buckley believed because there were rules of the spy game Bill. That A station chief he was exempt from danger that nobody would touch him because people moral even though is identity was secret. And he was there under diplomatic cover that nobody would mess with him and the rules of Lebanon Beirut rules, where we get the title from is that there were no rules. Whoever was the most barbaric and cruel and win against the green was the one who wants March of eighty four Bill Buckley was was abducted as he went to work, and he was interrogated by Hezbollah and the Iranians and God knows who else we uncovered documents that the FBI believed that he was he was flown to Tehran and an interrogated by Iranian specialists, and ultimately the beatings torture. The absolute lack of food water, and and the elements took its toll and Bill Buckley died in captivity. Name of the book is Beirut rule. The murder of a CIA station chief and Hezbollah's war against America. This is Samuel cast one of the co authors of the book this just as you described as I know it's not the same. And I know that there are significant differences. But I'm also seeing similarities between what happened in Beirut in your book, and what happened in Benghazi or am I way off. No, no, you're absolutely correct. Because one of the lessons learned from William Buckley's abduction. Was that CIA assets, primarily CIA station. She's the men and women who who knew all the names movie addresses had to be protected so in Benghazi when there was the attack on the on the temporary consulate residents were ambassador Stevens was was staying in the city. There was also a CIA annex that was involved in trying covertly to bring arms to Syrian rebels fighting in the civil war and elements of that CIA annex the security element came to the rescue of of the temporary mission. However, their main mission ultimately specifically therefore was to do everything and anything in their power to protect that station chief because the had he fallen in the hands of the. Allen saw rebels who terrorists who attacked our interests in Benghazi the ramifications would have been far more reaching than than the destruction of life and property and lesson that was learned from the Buckley incident was that people at the top. And I'm not talking about the president secretary of state or people like that people in operations at an intelligence agency were military command sometimes must make split-second decisions that in hindsight aren't correct. Sometimes they even go into that in hindsight are fraught with danger, and might not be the smartest thing and these decisions ultimately, and we have to remember we forget sometimes are made by men and women people who are human and people who are fallible and people who will go. They have the best interests at heart sometimes or caught up in parts of the world that each eat one another, and, you know, put the best laid plans of of.

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