Robin Young, Celeste Headley, Peter discussed on Here & Now


I'm Robin Young and I'm Peter wrote down. This is here And now at this point, more than three million people a day are getting Corona virus vaccines. And if you squint into the distance, you might see a day when life gets back to normal. But what does that even mean anymore? On the one hand, I long for things that used to bring me joy. But part of me is also dreading going back to a life that was full of social obligations. Work commitments rushing rushing rushing Life has changed so much for so many people that the thought of emerging from the pandemic is bringing some of us a mix of joy and apprehension. We heard journalists and authors Celeste Headley talking about some of this recently on NPR's life, Kid podcast. He's a journalist in an author of the new book, Do Nothing. How to Break Away from overworking over Doing an under living Celeste Welcome, and I wonder if you've been hearing from people who are feeling unsure right now. I have. A lot of people are feeling really anxious, and it doesn't really surprise me because people feel anxious about small talk. Always so when you aren't using your social skills, you know, like any other skill. It's like riding a bike, right? Just imagine that you haven't written your bike in more than a year. So be kind to yourself, because when you first jump back on that bike, you might be a little wobbly for a few blocks. But you will get back in the rhythm, and it's kind of that way with social skills. I know that people want to be protective of their alone time and not get overwhelmed. You know, I read somebody tweeted out that you know there's gonna be a lot of awkwardness. Now that all those times we've said Oh, yeah, Let's meet up after the pandemic are those you know those I o U's are finally coming due. Um, but I know that feels a little bit scary to people at the same time. Those authentic social interactions. That's not what you should be afraid of, like meeting people in person, those of the kind of things that that actually incredibly good for you, biologically and mentally. You know what I think is really interesting is that I think for a lot of people relationships have changed a lot in this pandemic, And maybe it's even like the priorities that we have. For our relationships. You mentioned the idea of the overdue coffee date that you've been promising for months now, like in some ways that feels after all, this, like less important now, I'm not saying it is, But I'm saying it feels kind of less important than having like a chance to sit down with your elderly parents again for the first time because we were suddenly know what that feels like to not and not have that available. Yeah. Oh, I think it's totally correct. You know, if anything else I hope that people come Out of this. And are a little more intentional about their social choices. Because in the days before Covad 19. It's quite possible. People chose to have the quick coffee with the friend because that was easy and avoided for a really long time having that more lengthy and more meaningful Dinner with their grandparents. And I hope that calculus has changed. So that people can really think to themselves. Okay? I only have a certain amount of social energy. Where should I invest? It? What about work? Celeste? You wrote this book, breaking away from overworking and over doing everything in life so many people if they've been lucky enough to keep their job. Have suddenly been presented with this fact. They're not rushing into an office. What about this idea of going back to work? So he This is one of the places which I'm a little bit pessimistic, and the reason for that is because we kind of doubled down on a lot of unhealthy habits during the pandemic. The early research that we have The data that we have right now shows that actually people working more hours during the pandemic than they were before and taking more meetings than they were before. And this is what worries me is as people get back to work that they're actually going to sustain these very, very, very unhealthy habits that they've developed in which they allow work to claim their entire household. Meaning that when people got sick of sitting at their desk at home, they would just pick up their laptop and moved to the kitchen or pick up the laptop and move to the living room, which unfortunately is what you do when you're trying to teach your brain that your entire house is for work. Mm. Right. Like.

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