The next all of it it's the tenth anniversary of occupy Wall Street We'll look back at the movement that gripped downtown New York City in 2011 and take your calls Plus a documentary about the man who made snowboarding a thing The director of dear Ryder the Jake Burton story joins us I'm Alison Stewart join me for all of it weekdays at noon On WNYC It's morning edition from NPR news I'm Rachel Martin And I'm Steve We can not confirm today that Brazil is changing course in protecting the Amazon We can only report that Brazil says it is changing When Donald Trump was president of the United States president jair Bolsonaro of Brazil followed along with him mocking climate science His country slashed environmental budgets as farmers continued slashing and burning rainforest Now a different U.S. president is pushing for a different approach And though president Bolsonaro did not show up for a climate summit this month in Scotland his country is making promises We spoke with Brazil's representative at the summit ambassador paulino de carvalho Neto Will commit ourselves to reducing in 50% our emissions in 20 30 compared to 2005 So and besides that we've joined a declaration on forests and land use committing ourselves to end basically a league of deforestation as soon as possible And we also have a joint global methane plate So this is just to have a picture of what Brazil intends to do And obviously we need not only make announcements We need also to implement those commitments So that's our big challenge but it's not only for Brazil it's for every country who are part of this agreement the Paris agreement Yes of course ambassador there's a couple of key elements of this that I think would perhaps bring some observers almost to the point of despair one of them being deforestation and is going at such a rate in Brazil that it is hard to see how you would reverse that now Yeah we're doing our best I mean the ministry of the environment who is domestically responsible for dealing with issues pertaining to forest and environment at large they are joining efforts with our national police the ministry of justice and security in order to fight against illegal deforestation It's a huge huge challenge no doubt But that's what we want to do if we intend to achieve those goals that I've mentioned before Has your president not pursued policies moving in the opposite direction for example dismantling environmental agencies that are intended to fight deforestation Well what I could say is that since this year from April on when president Bolsonaro attended virtually a meeting a summit that was organized by President Biden with announced that we would come to net zero emissions in 2050 that we will and deforestation illegal deforestation before the end of this decade and that we are going to double the budget of the ministry of the environment who is as I said responsible for dealing with issues pertaining to forests We need to do our part and do our part mainly combating this deforestation So that's our commitment that it's what we want to do Does Brazil claim any right as many developing nations do in effect to pollute more than others for a time because your economy is still growing I mean obviously there is in the context of the climate convention which was begun in 1992 that the industrialized countries are the most responsible for let's say for trying to solve this problem But as I said before we want to be a part of a solution It's not a question of finger pointing but try to solve a problem that is global So we want to be a part of this of this solution One other thing ambassador when you talk about climate change in Brazil is that it's something that you can put in the context of self interest by which I mean diplomat from an island nation in the Pacific can obviously see what's at stake for them Americans in recent years with some of the news that we've had can see what's at stake for us can Brazilians look around them and see early signs of change that show that they must change the way that the world produces energy Yeah no doubt it's in our self interest to protect our forests and deforestation to try to have a more let's say decarbonize the economy in that respect It's always important to underline that Brazil has a mix of energy who is at least 50% of its energy mix is renewable So we are in that in that sense ahead of many developed countries So as I said we want to be a part of the solution We are trying our best It is in our self interest also to attain those girls because it on the economic side on the trade side It's quite essential to show to the world that we are on the good side of this process Ambassador polio desalvo Neto Thank you so much Thank you very much appreciate that Thank you Developing nations have a message at the climate summit in Scotland a message that has the benefit of being true the countries with the fewest resources face the greatest climate change threats To combat the disparity developed countries promised a $100 billion a year to help but they are not meeting that goal And Pierre's Lauren summer has more At a small house outside of Nairobi Kenya there's a big moment happening that's also big for the climate Winifred mboya musio is getting electricity at her home for the first time And installer from the company delight is putting a.