William Hack, Lindy West, Diocletian discussed on Food Psych
I think that, you know, that might sound extreme to some people, but I think we have to name the problem for what it is. And to show how insidious it is. And not only does it really harm. People's lives on an individual level. But it also has these larger systemic implications in terms of our ability to work together as a community for for change and liberation. Yeah, that's such an important point it functions as a wedge to keep the gay community from coming together around these issues of liberation and I think it's also insidious because people can think of it as well. This is just what I desire, my desire is for someone who looks like this, right? And be curious to talk with you a little bit about the politics of desire. And, you know, you talk about how desires political for someone who's like, well, I don't know. I just I just prefer this. What would you say? How would you explain that? So to our preferences. Never just inherent or personal. They're always political because we exist in a social context. So our desires don't exist independently of that context, so well to a certain extent, when might have innate preferences, and we can't rate at the drop of a hat just changed that we can think critically about where that's coming from grade. And so let, why is it that, you know, I like people that are smaller bodied as opposed to larger body or, or you know, why, why do I like white people are not attracted to people color way, whatever it is. And when we start unpacking the roots of that raid, and do our desires, and preferences alone with Ray, who is considered superior or inferior when we start to look at these. Larger systems of a vantage on in disadvantage. And we think through that break, then does our preference, which we might originally think of as innate does it start to shift Raver William hack. Why is it that this might be desirable to me? But, but that isn't is it because that's how you really feel or because that's what, what you've been told it is so fascinating testing through that. And I feel like that, you know, I think in my younger days, when I was sort of spinning apart, questioning everything and having a lot of anxiety about stuff. I feel like those kinds of questions could have made me feel torn apart. And I think it might be might be worth it to just acknowledge for people who are in that place. Maybe this isn't the work you need to be doing right now. You know, if you're in a place of questioning everything in your life, and not feeling you have a ground underneath you, then finding that ground is probably important, but I feel like. These conversations to me now like where I'm at in my life. Now, I find so fascinating to think through that and feel equipped to be able to do that work and think more critically about what I've been conditioned to desire, you know, at this point in life. So I think it's, it's maybe also an issue of where we're at in our life that can we even do that work to be at the right place. I think in, you also have to have the tools and people are often given the tools to, to do that. And that's part of what I'm trying to. Two in my work is to give people some terms and concepts in contact to be able to start thinking through some of the stuff because I think particular for hey man, so her to two sociologists pilot Klein, who actually made the argument in their work that the body issues that gay men deal with, we are on the same level as heterosexual women that both groups can face similar pressures but he added this in time, we have no game ends body liberation movement that exist to the extent that that one does within contemporary feminism whereas, a subset of, of contemporary feminism m there's so many people that are in doing this work from feminist contacts in your yourself. Lindy west. Jamila Djamil veggies Tovar, but if we think of gay men who are doing this work like, maybe complaint, kale a couple people. Maybe Jonathan Vanoss may be Eliot Glazer. I think that part of the reason why that is miss. There's very powerful incentives in place to keep gay men from from recognizing the extent to which they're engage in Diocletian's..