Sander Spooner, Phil, Amazon discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
All right friends have fun show plan for you today. I know it's going to be fun because I've got a couple very friends of the show here with me both from Excellent Organization the American Institute for Economic Research I up. She is the publications manager at a are she first appeared on episode three hundred eighty seven of this podcast earlier this year very pleased to welcome back. Miss Miss Khloe enact knows khloe. Are you ready to roar. I am ready. Let's do it excellent data. What are you drinking over there today so I have? It's <hes> a white wine. It's called diamond in it is from in Indiana winery. I love it is called to ease. MINORING is based in Huntington Indiana so I try to stock up couple times a year and it is fantastic. It's a sweet white wine to ease. What are the stand for so it actually stands for Eric End? Emily Harris there the owners so so <hes> emily was actually a former Miss Indiana and so I always loved to shop local especially or people that I know so you're welcome guys for the free advertisement. Feel free to send some money my way. That's that's totally optional absolute if they see boosting sales from this episode who knows who knows where things can leave. Lou knows who knows I'll have to send. It's your afterwards all right next up. He is a senior research fellow at E.. R. He first appeared on episode three eleven and most recently just a couple of weeks ago. I got interview him. As part of our pork vests covers very pleased to welcome back fill Magnus Fil. Are you ready to roar. I am ready to roar excellent. And what are you drinking today. Phil well just finishing up a beer but I am switching over to a little bit of Thomas for Scotch <hes> he's making the big switchover live right here. We're going to see the transformation right before well since we're all drinking. I'm actually drinking. I'm going out for some Sushi after that so I figured I stay on the right line. I'm drinking Sapporo. We've got a little bit of cold soccer here to back up just in case I needed. I have a feeling I might especially with spill switching over to the Scott so early. I need to call in the reserves pretty soon yeah. You guys got well. I have a headstart on you. I guess the same time but timeshare time is all could confusing to me. You know we really got any time zones but I haven't had yes <hes> that being said considering we all have alcohol and had I think it's very safe to declare this an official iteration of Libertarians in living rooms drinking liquor and we're going to be discussing a very interesting subject today. We're going to be talking about an interesting person. A figure in Libertarian thought as the gentleman by the name of Light Sander spooner and now philly filling Khloe. You're both part of publishing this book this new compilation of Sander spinners dinners <hes> public letters and essays which includes like forty years worth of newspaper editorials and his contributions to the magazine Liberty so I really want to start off just talking about you. Guys can take this whoever wants to take it. I take it away a really just who I spend her. spooner is for some people I'm sure most people listen to the show have at least heard the name in passing if they're not very familiar with his work but why guys take it away and tell us a little bit about you know why he so important to libertarian thought this is anarchy here either of you can take it away sir. I'll let you start yeah so I sent her. spooner is a nineteenth century legal philosopher in theorists who embraced over the course of his life. A Perspective of radical individualist anarchy is one of the first Americans to really <hes> embrace that perspective and take it <hes> to kind of a new level what organization <hes> he was involved in just about every <hes> great liberal cause of the nineteenth century road can entered it into a public life as an abolitionist and not just <hes> any abolitionist but the type of abolitionist that wanted to go invade the South and handout guns to slaves to allow them to liberate results <hes> so really on the on the radical extreme of bat movement itself <hes> did so from a purely Libertarian <hes> perspective that <hes> was rooted in the the Individual Rights of human beings but <hes> he also over the course of his life in career. You're a civil war in slavery. He turns his attention to a variety of other issues and problems. During the day <hes> individually comes to a radical position that the United States government itself has an illegitimate entity. It's something that's imposing fourche of upon subjects that we're not willing participants in this you basically questions the social contract itself in points out very obviously but he'd ever personally signed that social contract nor did anyone else is currently living so we draws into the question is underlying assumption of legitimacy behind not only the U._S. government but really any government in this becomes the predominant theme of his writing for the latter part of his life <hes> which goes into the eighteen eighties <music> when he finally dies he's kind of an older senior statesman type figure among the classical liberals and really the the radical liberals of his day <hes> Ed Services kind of a mentor and Intellectual Mentor to the Next Generation Nets Nets <hes> the figures that evolved in Liberty Magazine so Benjamin Tucker is as one of the major <hes> successors to spooner carries his legacy into the twentieth century which is where it's handed off <hes> as a kind of a foundational text due to <hes> modern libertarianism very cool and that was the bell. I guess that the bell declared the end of your last sorry. I don't know that timing was perfect. Excellent that that means you could take over now Khloe what why he does tell us a little bit about maybe like when you first came upon lay senator spinners work what it means to you and why you think he's such an important figure for Libertarians. Well I think one of the really important parts about like Sander Spinners Orrick <hes> and this is something that I really come around a line in the last two years. <hes> is his take on intellectual property and this is something that in my role as publications manager at a are his Ben <hes> in some ways really frustrating to work with them. Fill Filkin bill can attest to that <hes> but something something that I think is important is that in life sanders spooners essay. It's called the LA intellectual property was published in eighteen fifty five. He sets out to understand the law of nature in regard to intellectual property. It's a project he says that must begin with understanding understanding how and when wealth becomes property and so that distinctions really important <hes> and then he he ends up writing that property is a right against the whole world and it may embrace any conceivable thing which can be possessed held held used controlled enjoyed by one person <hes> and so he he kinda finds that the foundation of property is each individual's natural right to provide for her own substance in happiness in his perhaps unsurprising surprising <hes> that he regards it. The right of property and intellectual wealth is necessary and it's legitimate <hes> so ultimately I've kind of come around when it comes to intellectual property I've written before and I think mark you and I talked about this about Taylor Swift. Yes yeah and I had a piece that came to know that if you're on a podcast you probably talked about Taylor Swift. It happens a lot but what's really been interesting for me is reading seen through a lot of his work. I'm reading through this fabulous collection that Phil put together in realizing that intellectual properties a racket and lifespan lyceum spooner had it right sorry this this wind start the stern but but another thing that Phil wrote that I think is absolutely fantastic if folks have not read this yet <hes> it's an article on a our website called astonishing mess of Academic Publishing and this this essay in article. It really has the nail on the head. What's been difficult about my role here? A are in trying to get these fantastic works that if they were not published or reprinted they'd be lost <hes> and so that's one thing that's very hard for me is to work with these really big corporations and say a you know. We're trying to get this work out to the world and then they say something like older. You have the necessary copyright. Oh do you have the necessary. This Odi have the necessary that and that's something that I ran into <hes> Once Phil had this manuscript on <hes> so that's kind of around about way to answer your question but <hes> I think Sander sooners very very important when it comes to talking about intellectual property and I think that's definitely something that a lot of libertarians disagree on so I WANNA dig into that a little bit more so like when putting together this book and finding all this work to compile together of his are the actual corporations and companies there that that actually hold some kind of copyrights or rights to certain works of his even from someone who's been dead Ed for one hundred fifty plus years all it's frustrating. Is that when you try to publish on <hes> I don't want to call them out but when you try to publish on these do come on okay when you Polish with Amazon for example it can be very difficult difficult when you're uploading and interior of paperback so for example we published under what's called the creative Commons international four point no copyright. That's our standard right and so something that's frustrating when I upload a lot of our books is that that I providing Amazon all the information I provide author <hes> our copyright I provide absolutely everything and then Amazon. Sometimes we'll come back and we'll say oh. We don't think you hold the necessary copyright so I've had to go back and I've had to explain Blaine. Hey this person's been dead for quite a long time but even even if they weren't dead republishing under something that we definitely have the rights to so. I don't know if you want to expand a little bit but it's it's incredibly frustrating for for me because it's not it's not like I just have one book at a time that I'm working on. I'm usually anywhere from eight to ten since I started with my role at a are so to keep everything straight can be really difficult but but at the same time I mean Jeffrey Talk Myself and Phil we have had to prove over and over again in emails and phone calls to Amazon. Did you know that you can you can call Amazon. That's the thing <hes> but we knew explain I._B.. And we've had to explain like hey this is our position. This this is why we're right and we ultimately leave it in their hands to decide whether or not to allow us to publish on their platform and sell on their platform or they're just pointed to block us and unfortunately it has happened once but through the power of the Internet we can still seller publications but it's it's been kind of a challenge. Maybe just tell them to read some of the stuff that you're trying to publish them name. They'll get their on their own way to expand on that. Yes so in this particular book were bit fortunate because the the most recent <hes> work that appears in there was written in eighteen eighty seven so <hes> that predates <hes> quite a bit of when the copyright law sticks in but yes clue saying we have this experience on a weekly basis that if you wanNA publish more recent works <hes> you normally have to track down exhaustive <hes> documentation of us and for example I was working with an author today <hes> who were looking to reprint a work that belonged to his father in E._S. to demonstrate as as the sign of at author that he owns the copyright and that just creates <hes> Mallon's of unnecessary paperwork every single time we do it. It's a real challenging of the publishing earl even win legally something should it'd be a nuclear kind of curious a little bit more on sort of your process in in finding these works and tracking all this stuff down <hes> Kinda..