Bill Ryan, Cornell University, CIA discussed on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory
And welcome back to coast to coast, George Noory with you. We are joined by Len Casten had joined the US airforce aviation cadet program after graduating from Cornell University while in the air force. He experienced a UFO encounter that had a profound effect on his life, but it came years later, while working in Washington DC in the sixties, he felt drawn to join the national investigations committee on real phenomena that was nycacc headed up by major Donald ki-ho at the time. Nycacc was the most prestigious organization of the country. At the time investigating you foes Len. Welcome back to the program. George always a pleasure. I joined nightcap to when I was a kid I got my little certificate card and everything else. But God I loved it. Yeah. Today. Shen KO did a great job. And he was the head of it also. That's right. Exactly that is. That's a good point. How have you been, I've been finding and you writing this new book coming out next year dark leak? I've been working on for about a year looking forward to that. We're we might as well book for next year already to get you back. It's going to be published in March. Tell us a little bit. Let's go back a little bit and talk about planets sherpa because it has a lot to do with what we're going to talk about tonight. What was that program? Well show. Yeah, absolutely. It was a it was an interesting. It was an interesting event. And. You know, you've had Bill Ryan on your show avenue. Yes. We sure have Bill knows a lot about circle also and also carry Cassidy, it really happened. It actually happened and it was kept under the under wraps along time. Finally, emerged, thanks to the DIA. They allowed to do with it. It was a program of what transferring. Back and was a back and forth transferring program. No, we set twelve Americans on on an alien spaceship to that's to that planet in nineteen sixty five did. They come back. They stay different thirteen years. Gosh, reminds me of the ending of that close encounters of the third kind movie remember that seeing that the movie was about that actually left only seven came back. Five. Died in two to decide to remain there really. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I'm not sure it's. I'm sure I'd go. What it was. That was a question. I asked at contact in the desert this weekend. If you would go on an ET craft one way in not come back in half of the panelists that they not go. The other half said they would I'm not would I don't know why anyone would say that in advance that they would intend to stay there. That's surprises may because that's that's unlikely to go to planet. When haven't even seen wanna stay. But after being there for thirteen years, they decided they liked it. They're two of them tuned, and we're was this planet. What system was them? About thirty nine years from our solar system that the same planetary system that we think the Barney, and bitty hill case might have originated from system. It's law system, and there are many, many planets around that particular son, actually actually, to binary son, took two two sons there in the ticket system. That's, that's the reason that our people never had any darkest hour, because there was always one son in the sky. So always like there when they're close encounters came out late. Seventies, I think close encounters came out in, I think it was a seventy seventy seven okay. In do you think they fed Spielberg, some of this information? Absolutely. No question whatsoever. He wrote the screenplay in one weekend to Sherry Netherlands, hotel in New York City. He could not possibly have done that, if he didn't have if he wasn't being fed the information, and he was getting the information from the DIA. Did they give him the information because it wanted to start leaking this out or or what happened? They belong in the public that the public had a right to know this because it was important story. And so the DIA people who who released it wanted it known. And this was the best way they could do. It was through Spielberg. He just made a tremendous hit with jaws, right? Thirty was the right guy for it. And he did a great job, a great movie and people still talking about it today is a matter of fact, and that scene, where the, the twelve twelve people lined up to ten minutes to women lined up in our jumpsuits point, moving with their sunglasses on and everything else, your they need strong sunglasses. Because they knew in advance that the sun was very bright on several. Special and skipper, but that out when with a lot about it was an amazing program, both the movie, and probably the project Serpa has the project ended or is it ongoing? No, it did not end we tablets to relation diplomatic relationship with those that civilization. And there were several other visits back and forth after that. And in the case of one visit which took place at an island in the Pacific. We invited other other countries to attend invited China invited Russia. I mean but at the Vatican. The craft that was used to get us back there. Of course, have we ever reversed engineered it? Well, we did yes, we did reverse engineer that craft. And as better fact that was that was the so called. Nineteen sixty four craft and landed in northern New Mexico. Lonnie's more was right. Coral. That was the one that was the one that was the one that landed at the wrong place. They landed Nisa curled, instead of home and force base. But then they got plenty got a message, and they went back to Howman and they stayed in orbit, while the other one landed was actually sent to craft here. It was that case, the lonnie's immoral case that conveys J Ellen Hynek that maybe this is really happening. Nick was the one that said it was the most convincing case that on record that exactly. Exactly it changed. His whole view did exactly. And because it was a huge shape, crafts, sitting on the ground on legs, and they're too, small. Creature standing in front of it in white uniforms. And when they realized that they were being observed jumped in and took off off. They went for why I always thought that that case might have been in experiment with the lunar Lander that they had out there somewhere because it kind of sounded like it, but it but the more I got into it line. The more I realize now, one is more something from out of this world. That incident occurred on April twenty points, nineteen sixty four which was the exact date that the aliens had told us they would be coming. That's how it all coincided. It was apps. Absolutely right. On target Lynn. What kind of propulsion system did they have? And do they have? Well, they add anti-matter technology, we know that. But they also knew how to travel through holes. And attorney to took the only took ten months from one to the point into the other. So it must have been true. It must have been through a window, where travel is actually instantaneous, but navigating to and from the entrances to the wolves, take some time, and that's probably how they how they chewed up the other ten nine months. I mean, once you go through a wormhole bending space and time where one end and another end basically touch each other, and you're right. It is instantaneous. Once they do that. Exactly. And we've now learned we've now learned that the, the so-called wormholes are really part of a much larger web that permeates the whole solar system. Like it's like a spider's web. And once you get into the web, then you're through you go to a Stargate and your travels instantaneous. When, when you wrote the book secret journey to planet, sir poem, which was back in two thousand thirteen I think, how did you come across this story? How did how did this come to you? Well, I spent two hours in a in a settle craft with Bill Ryan. I witness witnessed he talked about it the whole the whole trip when he was talking about it. I mean, did you say Bill? This is way out. Come on now. He wasn't talking directly to me. He was talking to somebody else. And I was I was listening to it. It's a small small can. Sure. And he dominated the conversation. I said. It was it was a level of conviction. That convinced me because he definitely he definitely believed it. And it makes sense to me, and I started doing the research, right after that trip and he had too much detail to simply make this up. Exactly. And not only that. But once you go to the website. That was put out there by the DIA such information that it's mind-boggling fourteen thousand words in the web on website, which was created by Bill. Doug created the website. No, that's real. The information comes from in somehow Carl Sagan, who wrote the book contact was a great astronomer on his own. He was somehow consulted about this. Tell me about that. Yes, he was consulted. Yeah. They, they consulted him because they needed more information about these astronomy all the astronauts nominal details. And he he provided the information, but he could never admit to it because he was too, too much involved with these program at Cornell, and he didn't wanna lose his position by making these making touch nutty, claim seem so same university, you went to yes. Yes, he went to Cornell. He was the head of the department there, and he was brilliant. He's brilliant. But. The whole thing was that. The people who wrote who wrote the website needed his knees, input and. But he wrote he never nevertheless, he did write about it in fiction and pick some form. He wrote the book contact. That's right. So that was really his way of releasing the what he knew about the information what he knew about situation because publicly he would always talk about extraterrestrial life out there. But he never admitted publicly that they were here. He kept he couldn't he couldn't really he has head of to department Ivy league university. He probably would have lost his job. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. It he took the wiser course. And nevertheless, he's still becoming immortal guys. He's really missing zone right now the agency that ran this department was created for this Defense Intelligence Agency was was that the day was created by president Kennedy nineteen sixty two okay. He and McNamara. Secretary of defense. They had troubles with CIA is, you know, is everybody knows and Kennedy threaten to break it up into a thousand pieces. I think you know that, right. Mhm. Part of the reason why he was done in. Yes. Yes, probably. But that's what motivated him to start the DIA, which was a more comprehensive intelligence agency, that, that took took into account, all of all of the service of not just the navy or the airforce for the three combined was mainly concerned with fun. Foreign intelligence, who is the CIA was supposed to be too. But see, I got more absorbed with with domestic until. Exactly, exactly. Is there an agency that is still overseeing this kind of project? But yeah DIA still exists. So they're still the, the watchdogs for this. It's grown is grown to be a huge agency. I think it's even larger than the CIA now. Now, the, the aliens from serbo have been called Eddin's. Well, yeah, one of our people came up with that term because it stands for extraterrestrial, biological entity, and that was very unimaginative very. To call them even and they got named Evenson stuck still even how much cooperation has there been land between them and us. A lot of cooperation we established a diplomatic relationship with the new nine nine visits back and forth. And I'm quite convinced even though I hadn't been reported anywhere. I'm sure that we have now sent our own spaceship, there, believe it or not. Gender generally, when they came here, I remember in close in counters, of course, it was way out into the hinterlands in the desert by the, you know, some mountain range where when, when it first came here. Where did they normally land landed at Holloman Air Force base, right next to the white white sands, proving ground have? That's where they landed nineteen sixty five the witnesses must've been amazing, but they're all military people then they guess, people government people..