Zimbabwe, President Trump, Stanley Newman discussed on BBC Newshour


ES. Last week. The woman who owned this school Tandy Wayne Kubay went out to protest because she was so angry about the situation about the economy. She was hit by an army truck and killed daughter schooled Allen, she's thirty seven. She's here in Washington for the children's clubs. We do you blame. Government. The quasi economize. Okay. She won't protest. Would you protest now? Are we can stay because. We'll continue. So you're not afraid I'm not afraid in protest, even though your mother was killed. I didn't get because anger. Around a dozen toddlers that parents, find lodge unemployed to pull these days to pay the nursery schools modest fees. As for to tender man, we found beaten by soldiers he safe in a clinic now is wounds to heal a lot faster than his countries. And that report from Harare was by the BBC's, Andrew Harding. So what about the regional response to events in Zimbabwe or Stanley Newman Hindi is as Imbaba in law. He's also chief executive of the Southern African Development community or subjects Lois association, and he joined me from Pretoria. The principal position of lawyers association is that there has been ongoing violence in Zimbabwe, especially looking at the one August disturbances, and there has been excessive reaction by armed forces of the state, but they has been also wrong and unlawful reactions by members of the public. Our view is in the light of discontinuing and a repeat of this happening. The principal responsibility must now fall on the president to control the violence because we believe that the majority of Zimbabweans are not participating in this violence. They were genuine grievances which the government must facilitate his fully and therefore protects them and stop the excessive. And live. Our reactions by armed forces in preference to protecting the majority of the muscles controlling the violence by those who are coming from the civilians that are taking the law into their own hands. And immediately thereafter, not just facilitating the peaceful protests has been doing but to engage meaningfully in national dialogue and conflict resolution. So you're saying that the citizens of Zimbabwe have every right to protest peacefully. Definitely and president mnangagwa's did not go to Davos, he's come home. He is now talking about dialogue is that a hopeful sign if you look at our statement that was the first recommendation we made that he should come home, and then he should deal with the situation. And Secondly, we say that he should engage in this dialogue. Now, this is a no brainer. Because even more shanty commission is put these options and these recommendations out in the public. I think it was a mixture of time in overdue that the president was supposed to follow. This course of action. But what we want to remain to see is whether there is genuine commitment to reaching a genuine solution. And engaging all stakeholders and holding everybody that was wrong to account. Indeed, you referred back to the events of August. So this has been brewing for some time. Do you does you association have a have a broader concern about how the rights of the citizens in Zimbabwe are being treated at the moment. Yes, definitely. We do. I think the first concern is that the dragnet arrests. And the blanket painting of everybody in Zimbabwe is not on the side of the security forces as an enemy is wrong. Everybody must be treated innocent until proven guilty. We are having a situation where people are being arrested. I without there being adequate investigation and they're being taken through summary trials and being sentenced and being imprisoned or detained illegally beyond the forty eight hour period. So. We really are concerned about the lack of sticking to principles of fair trial and the following of Jupiter persists in the administration of Justice in the aftermath of this violence in Zimbabwe. What role do you think the region will play the regional organisations in bringing this under control? According to the original organization was to quickly respond and give direction to these. Bob win government on the next steps to follow. Unfortunately official position is not come from the regional body, which is Saddik. And well, fortunately, the president is already following the steps that we would have wanted them to insist which is to to have him back in his jurisdiction and to convene a genuine national dialogue. But I think now the the region must quickly follow these steps up and make sure that the national dialogue in the framework, and the rules sets facilitate genuine engagement and consensus with respect and frankness from all the people who are concerned in stakeholders, even if they. Diverging views to start off with. So the the the region must guarantee the outcome of those negotiations by purely symbolic stakeholders, and we're talking about the region, but your in the the biggest player in the region, South Africa at the moment. And and this is it going to be imperative on South Africa to to take more of a a role in ensuring the situation Zimbabwe is brought under control our own trajectory was to immediately engage the South African government as well. And the plea would be to say that this is your neighbor, and you are an economic powerhouse in the region. And also a lot of these countries that have had their own challenges have also been there for South Africa when it was having its own challenges of unrest, and this illegal administration of Justice. So we feel that South Africa must of necessity take leadership in the region to address the situation. There have been a lot of compassion. Flying around in the last few days with the Mugabe era from your point of view. How would you compare what has happened over the past week in Zimbabwe with what happened during Robert Mugabe's time in office from a legal point of view? We think that there's a continuation of the disrespect of the constitution and its provisions, and that we have not had a return to rule of law, which is complete sustained and necessary for the recovery of Zimbabwean population, and it and it and it citizens, so in essence, so you saying from a legal point of view, not much has changed. No, not much has changed in terms of five observation of preservation and upholding the rule of law and human rights violations that we ongoing in the Mugabe regime, a still ongoing you actually find sentiments coming from members of the public and different quarters that it's more intense at this point in time. Now Stanley Newman Hindi who is chief executive of the South African development community's lawyers association..

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