New Orleans, Tomorrow, One Way discussed on Think 100%: The Coolest Show
So yeah so. I just want us to cop to that. Like i think it's not only the big green groups that put up those barriers in a way. Like i think i. I grew up in the neil era and i did my own version of silos and then realize wait a minute All of these issues intersect. This is a glimpse of the whole the future where we're headed or we have heavy weather. Intersecting with weakened neglected infrastructure that has been systematically underfunded for half a century and white supremacy overlaying the whole thing which blames the victims and abandons them and creates this hierarchy of humanity in the middle of a disaster. That's what we saw right in new orleans or one way of looking at it but your question around. What are they thinking when they when they when they do their version of nece which is like serse we saved the world. Then we worry about poverty and racism and more because if we don't save the world then added that will matter. I mean i've literally heard that argument. Yeah i've seen the argument. And when i wrote this changes everything you know. Folks took me aside and they're like. Why are you making our job harder by talking about capitalism in reparations and colonialism like you're weighing us population so in answer to your question what i what i discovered for one look. I think there's many answers one of those just about power and feeling threatened right like the these are groups that are lead overwhelmingly by white people and if frontline movements are leading than it means that those folks are not leading means that they're having to learn to follow and people hold onto power people hold onto control so i think that there's like a personal answer there but then i also think that there was genuinely a perception and this is what i was told when i was when i wrote this changes. Everything was that climate was popular winnable and these other issues were unpopular right And i think you see the same thing in these arguments within the democratic party around like are we going to appeal to suburban voters. Or you know. And it's it's it's you can't pry apart what obviously you can't make that argument in less you. Yourself are discounting the huge numbers of black and brown people who are engaged with these issues. And you somehow don't see them as part of a winning coalition or in fact the key to winning coalition so mean. I think that that was the argument that was made to me was like christ changes popular at can appeal across partisan divides Everyone has grandkids. This is kind of like a very broad tent and if you talk about all those issues you mentioned it white supremacy palestine. God forbid you know you're going to narrow right. So they positioned they petitioned climate. Has this big tent that everybody can get into but as you say. Everyone doesn't get him for it. Because if you are fighting for your own survival and this movement so called is not talking about it. Then you're not gonna join that movement because it's not your movement right so know that's that's what do you think it is. No no of all just did a lot there. Thank you for that. That was that was that was a that was a mouthful. And i hope he will really meditate on what you said. I guess this respond to what you said by my response would be then. How can you expect a world to transition from fossil fuels to clean energy when you can't transition from white supremacy and so that goes back to this also that if it's unpopular than how can we expect quote unquote run into movement to truly be an anti racist movement. If if they feel this weighs them down in other words if they really feel like this becomes too heavy or awkward or uncomfortable Or unwinnable really touch me when you said that that oak i mean the the literally the opposite is true. You know you think if something you know a a standing rock you know which which was absolutely game changing in terms of building public support for for stopping fossil fuel infrastructure entirely indigenous leads And rooted in place and grounded in core environmental justice principles and the quality of the fights right the way people fight when they are fighting for their water when they're fighting for their future when they're fighting for their land is different than the way we fight when we're fighting around an abstract issue that doesn't that yes we're concerned about but doesn't impact us tomorrow right And and and and the quality of the fight you know what i mean by the quality of the fight is like i mean my god. The courage right in at standing rock It's not the same. And i i don't want to this. You know having a big march. I think big marches matter. But that's different than living on the land for months and and fight and standing up to water cannons and attack. dogs That that that's a different kind of fight. And i think the lesson of that is that when I think there's so many lessons from standing rock but but when people are fighting for for their lives they're they're willing to take bigger risks. They're willing to fight hell of a lot harder And movements that are the movements that went throughout history right. And so this idea that is somehow more strategic to have this broad tent. That is gonna agree on this sort of baseline mushy demand of climate action. Whatever that means right not even specifying what we mean by climate action which is climate action. You know a movement like that isn't gonna have that quality of fight isn't going to have that that nazi city right we're up against very powerful forces right and that's that's the. That's the flip side of this that we always have to remember where we're up against the richest companies on planet earth with the ability to have their own private armies. So if we are not willing to fight like hell we are gonna lose. No and i think that's. That's that's very real. I think when i think about So many of those who really lummus gave their lives during the standing rock I think about our sisters and brothers throughout the world like but the service who have given their lives for this movement. I i sometimes wonder if the the the the quote from into movie is getting in the way because of that because actually we know that the fossil fuels business plan means a death sentence for these communities but on the other side we also know that the the movement in other words from typically from black and brown and indigenous and people of color if they if they want me they destined to the fossil fuel industry. I almost feel like sometimes the department to move his referee inbetween. I feel like sometimes they get in between to kind of placate almost like they haven't escape route. They have a place where they can go where you know we can. Do you know we can always dip from this fight. And so it feel like sometimes. They marginalized those who illustrated dying. And i think. And i think that's a that's that we have to deal with our movement or sir absolutely mean i get into some of this. This changes everything. I mean in all all big. Green groups aren't alike as you know there are some big green.